New tool announcement: VAC SYS System coming March 1!

[Brice Burrell]

Hope this helps

That gauge seems to indicate it can pull up to 30", which would be a total vacuum, so I'm not too sure who to believe at this point. Where are people getting these other numbers from and why aren't they published anywhere?

I don't think it can reach 30", it operates more in the mid 20s.

 

[Cheese]

https://www.festool.com/Products/Pa...name=Vacuum-pump-and-clamping-unit-VAC-SYS-VP

 

[jimbo51]

There are still errors on the Festool website for this tool. In one view, clicking on accessories leads to a blank page.

For the set that contains the 3 heads, the dimensions for the small head are wrong when you click on the individual pieces. The small head is 60mm x 200mm not the 32 by 200 listed. You can see the proper dimensions on the first page where the dimensions are listed without the part number.

I am sure that there are a number of Foggers who are experienced in editing and who would be willing to sign a non disclosure agreement and do copy proofing in exchange for the privilege of seeing new products early and perhaps a small amount of Festool bling. A fresh set of eyes can find mistakes that people who have seen 3 or more iterations of copy cannot. I would volunteer for such work.

 

[jimbo51]

BTW, the comment about $1800 for a clamp is incorrect. It is $1300 for a clamp and $1800 for 2 clamps. Of course to get full use out of the system, the two various size head sets add $700. If you want 2 of the mounting plates than add another $500. Thus a complete head 2 clamp system costs $2500 and a full 2 clamp system costs $3000.

On the other hand, even allowing a large 10% depreciation/year, it would only cost $300 a year until I sold it used. That is less than $1/day and I spend more than that on coffee. So buying a full Sys Vac system is cheaper than buying a cup of coffee. What a great deal!

 

[Cheese]

On the German website they have information on the Euro Vac SYS about the maximum panel sizes and panel weights the various vac heads are able to support. I tried to cut and paste that info on the Fog but it just read out as a long column of numbers.

I then made a word document of the specifications, saved it and attached it to my post below. Again, the formatting was erased and it too became just a column of numbers.

So, included in the info I wanted to share, was that Festool recommends rebuilding the vac pump when it can no longer pull a vac larger than -.7 bar, the minimum vac recommended to support objects is -.6 bar. They claim the max is -1.5 bar.

The pump may need rebuilding after 5000-8000 hours and the air filter needs to be changed yearly. Again, this is on the earlier Euro version. There are also some vacuum hose length limitations spelled out.

 

[sancho57]

Ive been lusting after this kit since the first time I saw it over here. I swear between this and the conturo,

Im going to be dipping into my 401K

 

[mouppe]

Spoke to Festool USA this morning. You can just buy the clamp unit, hoses and foot valve for $550 (C$775). I should be able to figure out a way to connect this to my Vacupress vacuum pump which would be fantastic.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

There are still errors on the Festool website for this tool. In one view, clicking on accessories leads to a blank page.

For the set that contains the 3 heads, the dimensions for the small head are wrong when you click on the individual pieces. The small head is 60mm x 200mm not the 32 by 200 listed. You can see the proper dimensions on the first page where the dimensions are listed without the part number.

I am sure that there are a number of Foggers who are experienced in editing and who would be willing to sign a non disclosure agreement and do copy proofing in exchange for the privilege of seeing new products early and perhaps a small amount of Festool bling. A fresh set of eyes can find mistakes that people who have seen 3 or more iterations of copy cannot. I would volunteer for such work.

As a clarification, the small, short head is 60mmx200mm as you stated, but there IS a 30mmx280mm head as well, along with the 100mmx280mm head.

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[Nat X]

Hope this helps

That gauge seems to indicate it can pull up to 30", which would be a total vacuum, so I'm not too sure who to believe at this point. Where are people getting these other numbers from and why aren't they published anywhere?

I don't think it can reach 30", it operates more in the mid 20s.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to max out the gauge, but that's a whole lot more than 4.4" and perfectly reasonable. Where are any of these other silly numbers coming from?

 

[Shane Holland]

The pump specs I shared were directly from Festool's product sheet. Attached below.

Note that I questioned some of the figures for weight limits for the various heads in the document. Waiting for confirmation.

Edit to attach a revised version with updated specs for the cups/heads.

 

[Jesse Cloud]

https://www.festool.com/Products/Pa...name=Vacuum-pump-and-clamping-unit-VAC-SYS-VP

Don't know how many of you may be working at high elevations, like me, but the site Cheese linked to says the system won't form an adequate vacuum at elevations higher than 2,000 meters.  I'm close enough to that to wonder how well it will work in my shop.

The problem is that up high there is less barometric pressure, so the difference between normal pressure and a vacuum may not be enough to hold a heavy load. 

 

[Shane Holland]

Note: That link to the European model from Cheese is not the same unit being used in the U.S. So, the specs may vary.

 

[mouppe]

https://www.festool.com/Products/Pa...name=Vacuum-pump-and-clamping-unit-VAC-SYS-VP

Don't know how many of you may be working at high elevations, like me, but the site Cheese linked to says the system won't form an adequate vacuum at elevations higher than 2,000 meters.  I'm close enough to that to wonder how well it will work in my shop.

The problem is that up high there is less barometric pressure, so the difference between normal pressure and a vacuum may not be enough to hold a heavy load.

I think this would definitely qualify for a trial under the 30 day policy!

 

[JonSchuck]

Looking at Shane's info under vacuum pump specs, its says the air temp should be 68-104F (20-40C).  I wonder why?  Seems like that would leave out many people's shops for much of the year.  Even here, 80 miles south of Tampa, it is 49F right now (5:25 AM) and I'm not sure it will make it to 68 today.  Up north, on cold days, does everybody heat their shops to at least 68?
Where on the keyboard is that little circle that indicates degrees?

 

[Kev]

Looking at Shane's info under vacuum pump specs, its says the air temp should be 68-104F (20-40C).  I wonder why?  Seems like that would leave out many people's shops for much of the year.  Even here, 80 miles south of Tampa, it is 49F right now (5:25 AM) and I'm not sure it will make it to 68 today.  Up north, on cold days, does everybody heat their shops to at least 68?
Where on the keyboard is that little circle that indicates degrees?

[member=18386]JonSchuck[/member] use your editing toolbar with the "sup" button

27oC

 

[mcooley]

Curious if anyone here thinks the pump could be used with other accessories, for example, how about a vacuum clamp that attaches to the underside of the MFT for running the TS? Anyone try this yet?

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[Tayler_mann]

Is there any way that this could be hooked up to a bag for a veneer press. If so I would most definitely be interested in buying this system. I always have to justify cost to uses and see if it will make me that extra money. If I can use this to do my own veneer mark it sold at my local Festool dealer.

 

[tjbnwi]

Is there any way that this could be hooked up to a bag for a veneer press. If so I would most definitely be interested in buying this system. I always have to justify cost to uses and see if it will make me that extra money. If I can use this to do my own veneer mark it sold at my local Festool dealer.

See reply #46 from Taylor.

I also read it is a continuous duty motor/pump. Should not have an issue running a bag.

Adapting/connecting looks like it will come down to your creativity.

Tom

 

[Tayler_mann]

Is there any way that this could be hooked up to a bag for a veneer press. If so I would most definitely be interested in buying this system. I always have to justify cost to uses and see if it will make me that extra money. If I can use this to do my own veneer mark it sold at my local Festool dealer.

See reply #46 from Taylor.

I also read it is a continuous duty motor/pump. Should not have an issue running a bag.

Adapting/connecting looks like it will come down to your creativity.

Tom

Thanks I somehow missed page 2 responses. So in comparison to an average bag press how does this pump compare in specs. I am very new to veneer presses and do not know a hole lot of technical data. I have been doing my veneer with my panels cut to size and using 4 pieces of 3/4" mdf with 12" reach jorgesons and 8" c clamps. It is ways inefficient and there isn't any suppliers around town that sell any decent veneered plys.

 

[Cheese]

[member=42383]Tayler_mann[/member]
Have you tried Youngblood's Lumber in North Minneapolis?

They have a real nice selection and the quality is a lot better than the big box stores. They're not the cheapest though, on the average around 15% to 25% more than HD, Lowes, Menards.
http://www.youngbloodlumber.com/hardwoodplywood.html