North American TS60 doesn't have PlugIt??

[squall_line]

I am not a UL expert or electrical engineer, but it seems to me that it is quite possible that the UL requirements have changed since the TS 75 was rated/listed.  The IFC (International Fire Code) has certainly changed a number of times since then.

And then magically got reversed in between TS60 and TSV60?

In the accessoires section on the TS60 110V UK website is a 110V Plug it Cord. You can recognize it by the big yellow plug.

I'm just a random idiot spewing nonsense on the internet.  If you read most of my posts, they're 95% factually inaccurate and full of wild suppositions rooted in nothing other than lunacy, hallucination, and fantastical thinking.

 

[jeh]

What I did notice is the plug-it cables are inferior to the cables Mafell uses which are super-flexible. Now if Festool uses the same quality cord as Mafell then that is a huge plus.

More flexible increases cost. But what cords are you comparing? The heavier Plug It cord? With the PU outer layer? What cross section does Mafell use?

The MT55, P1CC and DuoDowler cords compared to either of the Festool plug-it cords. Not sure of cross-section, but it is immediately noticeable if you were to use one. Their stuff is "upscale" from Festool so maybe a few extra dollars makes the difference or could be that it is a permanent cord or just made of better materials. I've thought of buying an replacement cord and adding a plug-it for use with my Festool stuff.

 

[Coen]

1500 W at 110V is 13.5A. Why would they see that as a problem with 1.5mm^2?

https://www.stayonline.com/product-resources/reference-circuit-ampacity.asp

16awg, #current conductors vs ampacity 2(13A), 3(10A) per UL guidance.  One can have higher peak amps than above, but you'd have to convince them your continuous is under the above.  Otherwise the cord will violate its temperature rating and deteriorate the insulation.

What on earth is that for witchcraft? H05rn-f (That is, the type of Plug-It cable used in Europe, anyway) with 2/2 cores loaded is rated for 16A here at 1.5mm^2. With 3/3 cores loaded it becomes 15A.

I think the connector becomes a problem long before the cable does.

 

[Bencan]

I am not a UL expert or electrical engineer, but it seems to me that it is quite possible that the UL requirements have changed since the TS 75 was rated/listed.  The IFC (International Fire Code) has certainly changed a number of times since then.

And then magically got reversed in between TS60 and TSV60?

In the accessoires section on the TS60 110V UK website is a 110V Plug it Cord. You can recognize it by the big yellow plug.

I'm just a random idiot spewing nonsense on the internet.  If you read most of my posts, they're 95% factually inaccurate and full of wild suppositions rooted in nothing other than lunacy, hallucination, and fantastical thinking.

You are doing the internet right then. Carry on!

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[Cheese]

I'm just a random idiot spewing nonsense on the internet.  If you read most of my posts, they're 95% factually inaccurate and full of wild suppositions rooted in nothing other than lunacy, hallucination, and fantastical thinking.

You are doing the internet right then. Carry on!

Now that's funny...and to squall_line's credit...he's 99% on target with his opinions and prognostications.

Carry on!

 

[squall_line]

I'm just a random idiot spewing nonsense on the internet.  If you read most of my posts, they're 95% factually inaccurate and full of wild suppositions rooted in nothing other than lunacy, hallucination, and fantastical thinking.

You are doing the internet right then. Carry on!

Now that's funny...and to squall_line's credit...he's 99% on target with his opinions and prognostications.

Carry on!

I apologize for my insolence, it was kind of a rough day until mid-afternoon.

Both of these posts brought a smile to my face tonight for different reasons.  Many thanks, [member=73185]Bencan[/member] and [member=44099]Cheese[/member] !

 

[Cheese]

While it's too bad that the new TS 60 in the US will not have a Plug it cord, there are several additional nice features that have been added besides the increased cutting depth.  Besides...I'm gonna wait for the TSC 60 to replace my TSC 55.

1. To be able to stand the saw on its side is a game changer when swapping out blades, that's always been a mess with Festool saws. That's one of the reasons I purchased a MT 55.

2. The narrow body that no longer hangs over the guide rail clamping slot really is a big deal.

3. Being useable on the FSK rails is a nice plus.

4. There's something about the new dust port connector that fits on older TS/TSC 55 saws...don't quite understand that yet but Sedge seemed to be pretty chuffed about it.

5. Dual indicator depth cutting scale, finally, Festool has decided to come clean and admit that the imperial depth setting scales of the past were pretty hokey. There were imperial numbers printed on the scale but the adjustment was actually in metric. Now the adjustment is still in metric with the imperial marking spaced about 1/2" away where it's obvious it is just an approximation, that's all they ever really needed to do in the first place.  [sad]

6. The EC-TEC motor in a corded product, I will be interested to experience the increased power available. Sedge seemed to think it has more power than the TS 75.  [tongue]

 

[ChuckM]

Snip..

5. Dual indicator depth cutting scale, finally, Festool has decided to come clean and admit that the imperial depth setting scales of the past were pretty hokey. There were imperial numbers printed on the scale but the adjustment was actually in metric. Now the adjustment is still in metric with the imperial marking spaced about 1/2" away where it's obvious it is just an approximation, that's all they ever really needed to do in the first place.  [sad]

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Yes, the saw is full of rich features (including its weight) that trump all its predecessors. If I were in the market for a tracksaw, the plug would be my least concern....all my Festool and non-Festool corded tools -- except the DJ and PRO5 sanders -- have no plug-in cords anyway. As a matter of fact, if I had a TS55 (or still ad the TS75), I'd sell it to subsidize the purchase of the TS60.

Somebody one day will probably come up with a third-party after-market much better solution in this 3-D print era to do the depth setting. The crude method of using a rule to line up the scale to set the imperial depth looks amateurish to me.

 

[petar73]

1. To be able to stand the saw on its side is a game changer when swapping out blades, that's always been a mess with Festool saws. That's one of the reasons I purchased a MT 55.

When the blade is locked the saw is able to stand on its side. I always change the blade that way. It tips over if the blade is in.View attachment 1

 

[guybo]

Just speculation but i do love these shapes [big grin]

 

[luvmytoolz]

Those new patents are a bit bewildering, the Shaper being a mobile CNC machine makes sense, but a CNC trackless tracksaw seems like a solution looking for a problem. I'm struggling to think of a unique valid use case for that one.

 

[guybo]

Hi, dont get hung up on the trackless part .did you notice this was about alignment, if the saw knew where it was on the sheet and knew where to stop and start,and you could download a cut list,just by laying down some shaper tape,would not  that be grand? Is not that what the shaper does

 

[luvmytoolz]

I have CNC machines at home so I can appreciate the mobility aspect of the Shaper which is unique, but whacking a guide rail on a sheet and cutting away isn't in any way time consuming, and at the very least it will be as straight or straighter than a CNC portable saw. For many cross cuts I'd use my HK85 with the crosscut rail, for long rips the longer  guide rail.

Yes it can adjust the blade orientation ( up to 2 degrees I think?), and I'm usually all for "because I can", but I'm still trying to see why anyone would care about that?

 

[cpw]

Is the TSV brushless like the TS60?  The 75 is brushed, I believe.  I don't know how much "clean power" has to do with the requirements.  Although the TS55 is brushless, too?  I can't keep any of them straight anymore.

If it's a UL listing they're after, this does feel like they rushed it to market to try to capture/maintain job site guys, since it can use the FSK rails.  Demonstrating that it can cut an LVL beam in one pass and mentioning that it can finally cut all the way through a 2x4 at a 45 degree angle sounds like they're aiming this at the people they disappointed with the HK 55.

That said, if they were going to rush anything into the states to use on the FSK rails, how about rushing over a few HK 85s?

With the need to plunge this before the cut, I don't see this being an actual replacement for the HKC saws.

I am also disappointed in the decision not to have a plug-it cord; and the TS75 having just as high power draw it seems to make no sense to me.

My (uninformed) guess is that a cordless version will come out and that will be the more popular saw.

 

[Bencan]

Is the TSV brushless like the TS60?  The 75 is brushed, I believe.  I don't know how much "clean power" has to do with the requirements.  Although the TS55 is brushless, too?  I can't keep any of them straight anymore.

If it's a UL listing they're after, this does feel like they rushed it to market to try to capture/maintain job site guys, since it can use the FSK rails.  Demonstrating that it can cut an LVL beam in one pass and mentioning that it can finally cut all the way through a 2x4 at a 45 degree angle sounds like they're aiming this at the people they disappointed with the HK 55.

That said, if they were going to rush anything into the states to use on the FSK rails, how about rushing over a few HK 85s?

With the need to plunge this before the cut, I don't see this being an actual replacement for the HKC saws.

I am also disappointed in the decision not to have a plug-it cord; and the TS75 having just as high power draw it seems to make no sense to me.

My (uninformed) guess is that a cordless version will come out and that will be the more popular saw.

Ya I really wish they had made the saw where is could be locked in plunged so you can use it with the fsk rails. But no couldn’t possibly do something that would be helpful and improve functionality

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[squall_line]

Ya I really wish they had made the saw where is could be locked in plunged so you can use it with the fsk rails. But no couldn’t possibly do something that would be helpful and improve functionality

The saw is fully compatible with and was demonstrated on an FSK rail.  I don't understand this complaint.

 

[Lincoln]

Ya I really wish they had made the saw where is could be locked in plunged so you can use it with the fsk rails. But no couldn’t possibly do something that would be helpful and improve functionality

The saw is fully compatible with and was demonstrated on an FSK rail.  I don't understand this complaint.

You can't lock the blade depth, like you can with the HK/HKC.

 

[bwehman]

Is the TSV brushless like the TS60?  The 75 is brushed, I believe.  I don't know how much "clean power" has to do with the requirements.  Although the TS55 is brushless, too?  I can't keep any of them straight anymore.

If it's a UL listing they're after, this does feel like they rushed it to market to try to capture/maintain job site guys, since it can use the FSK rails.  Demonstrating that it can cut an LVL beam in one pass and mentioning that it can finally cut all the way through a 2x4 at a 45 degree angle sounds like they're aiming this at the people they disappointed with the HK 55.

That said, if they were going to rush anything into the states to use on the FSK rails, how about rushing over a few HK 85s?

With the need to plunge this before the cut, I don't see this being an actual replacement for the HKC saws.

I am also disappointed in the decision not to have a plug-it cord; and the TS75 having just as high power draw it seems to make no sense to me.

My (uninformed) guess is that a cordless version will come out and that will be the more popular saw.

Ya I really wish they had made the saw where is could be locked in plunged so you can use it with the fsk rails. But no couldn’t possibly do something that would be helpful and improve functionality

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Pretty sure that would require a blade guard solution, which is just the HKC.

 

[squall_line]

Ya I really wish they had made the saw where is could be locked in plunged so you can use it with the fsk rails. But no couldn’t possibly do something that would be helpful and improve functionality

The saw is fully compatible with and was demonstrated on an FSK rail.  I don't understand this complaint.

You can't lock the blade depth, like you can with the HK/HKC.

I don't understand what that has to do with using the saw with the FSK rail, though.  The saw is compatible with and was demonstrated on the FSK rail.

 

[cpw]

You can't lock the blade depth, like you can with the HK/HKC.

I don't understand what that has to do with using the saw with the FSK rail, though.  The saw is compatible with and was demonstrated on the FSK rail.

It's the speed and ergonomics.  The HKC saw on the FSK rail is just really handy and quick.  The HKC saw on a FS rail without plunging is fine, and good for cross cutting plywood/sheathing.  The HKC saw can plunge on a regular FS rail, but is just not very good at it; so if you want a plunge cut the TS saws are just better.  I've done the plunge in cases where I had the HKC out, but it isn't going to be my main saw for cabinetry or finer work.

Similarly, a TS saw can be used on the FSK rail, but because you have that separate plunge action on a very short rail that is inherently going to be tippy if you are trying to plunge the saw I don't think it will be an attractive alternative to the built for purpose HKC.