Paint Booth or Outsource?

[bkharman]

Hello FOGgers,

I am in the middle of refacing my kitchen (painting FF and new doors and drawers) and need a little guidance.  I live in Cincinnati and would love to chat with someone local if possible.  I looked for "cincinnati" in the search area and didn't see much so hence posting this.

I have most of my doors done and am getting into the paint phase.  I have been prepping them with SW W&W and really like that primer.  pretty easy to work with.  I have been fine with sanding it to get the finish I am looking for and plan on covering it with SW ProClassic or Kem Aqua but am a bit hesitant after reading some posts on the internet.  Mainly around the KA, they say it is a bit of a bear to work with for the novice which I fall squarely into.  I have use ProClassic for years and have painted countless meters of trim with it but never on a door or sprayed it.

I do have an HVLP (Earlex 5500 as a Christmas present last year) and have done a few small projects, but none this large.  That takes me full circle... do I build a small paint booth (really don't have the room) or look for someone to paint them for me.  Since I have done neither in the past, thought i would turn to my community.  If there is someone in the Cincy area who can do it and do it well, then I would probably go that route.  Again, they are mostly prepped as of now.

I have looked at several "built-a-booth" posts and while they look nice and simple, I am not sure i have the room and definitely don't have the ventilation (at least I think).

Much appreciative of any responses here.  cheers

 

[tjbnwi]

I never found KA at all difficult to work with.

The ProClassic sprays beautifully.

Set up a small area where you can do some test spraying. The KA will dry in no time the PC has a much longer open time. Once you've practiced a little make a decision. Spray everything on the flat seeing as this is your first time spraying these products.

Tom

 

[bkharman]

Thanks Tom!  I can mask off an area and test spray.  With the KA, i did read that it dries fast, but what about cure time?  Is it much quicker than "a couple of days to a week or so"?

Also, what is the price on the KA (gallon)?  I picked up the W&W for about 30 bucks this week... good deal (for a homeowner)  [tongue]

 

[tjbnwi]

Overnight KA can be packed with a barrier sheet without blocking the finish.

You have to buy the KA in a 5 gallon lot. About $300.00.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

If your going with a medium luster try Cashmere also.

Tom

 

[Scott B.]

Love the W&W!

Cashmere medium lustre is a great paint. We use it on trim packs alot. Sample it first to make sure the sheen level is suitable for your kitchen. It is equivalent to satin sheen from other mfr's. Some consider it to be not quite enough gloss for cabinets. I personally like it alot, have had good experiences with it and it is extremely user friendly by both sprayer and brush.

 

[bkharman]

Cashmere medium lustre is a great paint. We use it on trim packs alot. Sample it first to make sure the sheen level is suitable for your kitchen. It is equivalent to satin sheen from other mfr's. Some consider it to be not quite enough gloss for cabinets. I personally like it alot, have had good experiences with it and it is extremely user friendly by both sprayer and brush.

I am thinking that might be the way to go.  We are using PC Gloss on case work and other trim, but I am not sure I want my shaker doors that "glossy".  I satin might be the way to go.  Does Cashmere cure up fairly quick?  or at least around the same timeframe as PC?

Thanks again for all the help here... making me more confident by the minute!

 

[Sparktrician]

I never found KA at all difficult to work with.

The ProClassic sprays beautifully.

Set up a small area where you can do some test spraying. The KA will dry in no time the PC has a much longer open time. Once you've practiced a little make a decision. Spray everything on the flat seeing as this is your first time spraying these products.

Tom

Tom/Scott,
    Have you used either or both in an airless gun?  What is your experience with it?  Recommendations for settings?

 

[Scott B.]

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Tom/Scott,
     Have you used either or both in an airless gun?  What is your experience with it?  Recommendations for settings?

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Willy,

Yes, I have for a couple of decades. Its kind of the bulldozer of pumps. They are for production. By that I mean like drywall spraying walls and ceilings. Not a very sophisticated rig. It is possible to do trim grade, but you have to be experienced with them to achieve it. The reason is that those pumps are only comfortable operating at 3-4k psi fluid pressure, which is a boatload, so you gotta move. And the guns are ridonculously inefficient, which means there is tons of overspray. Both of these are reasons why it is difficult to do finer work with them. Too many cards stacked against.

Not to be a serial linker, but this is something that kind of explains it, and offers the more sophisticated technology solution:

http://topcoatreview.com/2013/11/air-assisted-spraying/

 

[bkharman]

By the way Scott... Your Top Coat Review of W&W is what really sold me on picking up a can this week.  I wish i had known about it when we were re-doing the trim and case work!!  Would have saved me a ton of aggregation...

live and learn, live and learn...

Thanks for all of the advise.

cheers

 

[Scott B.]

By the way Scott... Your Top Coat Review of W&W is what really sold me on picking up a can this week.  I wish i had known about it when we were re-doing the trim and case work!!  Would have saved me a ton of aggregation...

live and learn, live and learn...

Thanks for all of the advise.

cheers

BK, thanks. We just share what works and doesn't work for us, and it's all real world based from our projects. Glad you found it helpful. W&W really just blows away other competitive lines...in dry time, adhesion, sanding to powder, coverage, and how paint lays on it and adheres to it. Once you have used it, it's hard to use anything else on wood. Still not sure what the "wall" in its name is about. We don't waste that stuff on walls, unless they are wood.  [unsure]

 

[Sparktrician]

Willy,

Yes, I have for a couple of decades. Its kind of the bulldozer of pumps. They are for production. By that I mean like drywall spraying walls and ceilings. Not a very sophisticated rig. It is possible to do trim grade, but you have to be experienced with them to achieve it. The reason is that those pumps are only comfortable operating at 3-4k psi fluid pressure, which is a boatload, so you gotta move. And the guns are ridonculously inefficient, which means there is tons of overspray. Both of these are reasons why it is difficult to do finer work with them. Too many cards stacked against.

Not to be a serial linker, but this is something that kind of explains it, and offers the more sophisticated technology solution:

http://topcoatreview.com/2013/11/air-assisted-spraying/

Thanks, Scott.  I was thinking more in terms of larger projects, not fine finishes.  Might be just the thing, provided I use a ton of tape and masking. 

 

[Scott B.]

Willy,

Yes, I have for a couple of decades. Its kind of the bulldozer of pumps. They are for production. By that I mean like drywall spraying walls and ceilings. Not a very sophisticated rig. It is possible to do trim grade, but you have to be experienced with them to achieve it. The reason is that those pumps are only comfortable operating at 3-4k psi fluid pressure, which is a boatload, so you gotta move. And the guns are ridonculously inefficient, which means there is tons of overspray. Both of these are reasons why it is difficult to do finer work with them. Too many cards stacked against.

Not to be a serial linker, but this is something that kind of explains it, and offers the more sophisticated technology solution:

http://topcoatreview.com/2013/11/air-assisted-spraying/

Thanks, Scott.  I was thinking more in terms of larger projects, not fine finishes.  Might be just the thing, provided I use a ton of tape and masking. 

For straight up, bang for your buck, low maintenance, beat the bejesus out of it production, yes, it is a great rig. We still haul them out for rock work.

 

[tjbnwi]

Willy,

Yes, I have for a couple of decades. Its kind of the bulldozer of pumps. They are for production. By that I mean like drywall spraying walls and ceilings. Not a very sophisticated rig. It is possible to do trim grade, but you have to be experienced with them to achieve it. The reason is that those pumps are only comfortable operating at 3-4k psi fluid pressure, which is a boatload, so you gotta move. And the guns are ridonculously inefficient, which means there is tons of overspray. Both of these are reasons why it is difficult to do finer work with them. Too many cards stacked against.

Not to be a serial linker, but this is something that kind of explains it, and offers the more sophisticated technology solution:

http://topcoatreview.com/2013/11/air-assisted-spraying/

Thanks, Scott.  I was thinking more in terms of larger projects, not fine finishes.  Might be just the thing, provided I use a ton of tape and masking. 

As Scott said an airless can cover a lot of ground fast. A helper is needed to back roll or you need the roller attachment. I dont paint as much as Scott, I do own 2 airless rigs not counting a AAA.

After awhile you'll get good with a paint shield.

Another option to tape;

http://www.trimaco.com/clingcover.php

Tom

 

[Sparktrician]

Willy,

Yes, I have for a couple of decades. Its kind of the bulldozer of pumps. They are for production. By that I mean like drywall spraying walls and ceilings. Not a very sophisticated rig. It is possible to do trim grade, but you have to be experienced with them to achieve it. The reason is that those pumps are only comfortable operating at 3-4k psi fluid pressure, which is a boatload, so you gotta move. And the guns are ridonculously inefficient, which means there is tons of overspray. Both of these are reasons why it is difficult to do finer work with them. Too many cards stacked against.

Not to be a serial linker, but this is something that kind of explains it, and offers the more sophisticated technology solution:

http://topcoatreview.com/2013/11/air-assisted-spraying/

Thanks, Scott.  I was thinking more in terms of larger projects, not fine finishes.  Might be just the thing, provided I use a ton of tape and masking. 

As Scott said an airless can cover a lot of ground fast. A helper is needed to back roll or you need the roller attachment. I dont paint as much as Scott, I do own 2 airless rigs not counting a AAA.

After awhile you'll get good with a paint shield.

Another option to tape;

http://www.trimaco.com/clingcover.php

Tom

Thanks, Tom.  I've seen something like that, but not the same brand, locally.  Good idea. 

 

[Scott B.]

We have been doing the backrolling dance this week. Only its air assisted.

 

[tjbnwi]

We have been doing the backrolling dance this week. Only its air assisted.

Why did you choose AAA?

Tom

 

[Scott B.]

We have been doing the backrolling dance this week. Only its air assisted.

Why did you choose AAA?

Tom

The real reason is to see if we can do it as fast aaa as we can straight airless. If we can, then it only makes sense to run the more efficient gun. The LX80's and Graco Contractor guns are maybe 60-70% transfer efficiency. If we can do that quantity of spraying at 85+, we will all day long.

We have sprayed drywall several times this year aaa to look at that.

 

[polarsea1]

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Another option to tape;

http://www.trimaco.com/clingcover.php

Tom
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That looks like a good way to mask off the inside of cabinet boxes. Thanks for posting the link.

Bill

 

[tjbnwi]

Another option to tape;

http://www.trimaco.com/clingcover.php

Tom
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That looks like a good way to mask off the inside of cabinet boxes. Thanks for posting the link.

Bill
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You're welcome.

This is easier to use inside of cabinets;

http://www.glad.com/food-storage/plastic-wrap/press-n-seal/

Tom