Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions

[Rta108]

Got my replacement sticks direct from Axminster. I agree, follow up service was top notch.

I still can’t get a straight row holes, with either of the new rulers. On of them is particularly bad at the 32/48 offset holes on the end. If I flip a stick and stack them, as mirror image, the holes don’t line up when pinned together at 0 and 10.

Also, interestingly, the sticks themselves aren’t straight. Slight curve. I know that shouldn’t matter, as long as the holes are straight, but the hole misalignment does follow the curve of the ruler.

Oh well. Return shipping cost makes a refund request impractical. I guess it’s still good for dog holes, just can’t use it to line up a track.

 

[Jruks]

Why not just keep asking for replacement sticks until you get a set that works? Given their customer service they should sort you out even if it takes a few tries for that price.

Got my replacement sticks direct from Axminster. I agree, follow up service was top notch.

I still can’t get a straight row holes, with either of the new rulers. On of them is particularly bad at the 32/48 offset holes on the end. If I flip a stick and stack them, as mirror image, the holes don’t line up when pinned together at 0 and 10.

Also, interestingly, the sticks themselves aren’t straight. Slight curve. I know that shouldn’t matter, as long as the holes are straight, but the hole misalignment does follow the curve of the ruler.

Oh well. Return shipping cost makes a refund request impractical. I guess it’s still good for dog holes, just can’t use it to line up a track.

 

[Rta108]

Why not just keep asking for replacement sticks until you get a set that works? Given their customer service they should sort you out even if it takes a few tries for that price.

Got my replacement sticks direct from Axminster. I agree, follow up service was top notch.

I still can’t get a straight row holes, with either of the new rulers. On of them is particularly bad at the 32/48 offset holes on the end. If I flip a stick and stack them, as mirror image, the holes don’t line up when pinned together at 0 and 10.

Also, interestingly, the sticks themselves aren’t straight. Slight curve. I know that shouldn’t matter, as long as the holes are straight, but the hole misalignment does follow the curve of the ruler.

Oh well. Return shipping cost makes a refund request impractical. I guess it’s still good for dog holes, just can’t use it to line up a track.

I’m just kind of over it. Not investing more time or material. Plus FedEx requires a signature, so I have to drive 20 minutes to the depot to pick up after work.

These ones were checked before they went out. If they discovered/corrected some manufacturing issue, I’d ask for another set.

 

[Klemm]

what  I saw and the picture I posted on Reply # 198 seemed to me get the job done, considering they had changed from stamping the holes to CNC Milling them. But apparently that approach still let's some some less than satisfactory product get out the door.

What has them scratching their heads is that a very few unsatisfactory parts reach customers without them having the ability to pin down down a pattern or root cause to nail down.

I plan to have further conversations with ADMINISTER about process improvements they are making.

We'll stay with it - they're good people making a real effort.

Hans

 

[Mike Goetzke]

My rulers look a little rough, IMO.

The whole set oozes quality.... until you notice the holes. rough chamfers, burrs, and general inconsistency. Sometimes the 3mm pin drops right in, sometimes I can’t get it at all without a battle. I’d say they look like they’ve been worked by hand.

Hoping I just got old stock.

[member=70025]Rta108[/member] Can’t agree more about the rules. Look at some of my replies above. Looks like you got old stock to me. I got 3 sets of rules and gave up letting them get them right. I took a small file to the holes just to clean the crud out. Then I took a Dremel with sand paper to the surface to flatten up the chamfers that had rolled over material. They look nasty but produce very accurate holes now.

Mike

 

[Rta108]

My 2 sets definitely seem to be from different production runs. The newer set has an embossed UJK logo. The first set had logo printed directly on the surface.

I advised Axminster about my issues with set #2. They didn’t respond, but I hope they are working the problem and keep us in mind when they get this figured out.

 

[Woody Knotsensplintahs]

I just ordered a Parf II system from TSO Products last night after waiting a long while for stock to be listed as available. I am hoping the issue has been resolved. I feel like I should have asked before placing the order, but I was also concerned that the in stock status would quickly change back to out of stock if I delayed my order.

Finger crossed. I am anxious to receive the items, and in the mean time I would love to learn if TSO has had a chance to inspect and confirm that the rails in their fresh stock are properly aligned, spaced, etc.

Thank you!

 

[peter halle]

I just ordered a Parf II system from TSO Products last night after waiting a long while for stock to be listed as available. I am hoping the issue has been resolved. I feel like I should have asked before placing the order, but I was also concerned that the in stock status would quickly change back to out of stock if I delayed my order.

Finger crossed. I am anxious to receive the items, and in the mean time I would love to learn if TSO has had a chance to inspect and confirm that the rails in their fresh stock are properly aligned, spaced, etc.

Thank you!

[member=70323]Woody Knotsensplintahs[/member] ,  one thing I can tell you is that TSO stands behind everything they make or sell.  The believe in customer satisfaction to the nines.

Loosen your collar, take a deep breath, and relax.

Peter

 

[Rta108]

The curved sticks is what bugs me he most. Not starting with straight stock seems like a recipe for disaster.

How does the stock get indexed in the cnc before milling the holes? It must use the sides of the sticks, right?

 

[Rta108]

I just noticed that the inspection fixture posted at #197 doesn’t even check the 32/48 mm offset holes that so many have had issues with.

[member=59331]TSO Products[/member], do they have an additional step for those holes?

 

[Woody Knotsensplintahs]

My order shipped yesterday. I had been checking the TSO website twice a day with the hope of getting to purchase a kit. I was concerned that I would be out of service when the automated email for in stock status notification was sent out. Curiously, it has been several days since the item was listed as in stock, and it is still listed as in stock, yet I never did receive an email notifying me of the stock status update.

I guess I got lucky?

 

[Rta108]

Be sure to report back after you get a chance to drill some holes!

My order shipped yesterday. I had been checking the TSO website twice a day with the hope of getting to purchase a kit. I was concerned that I would be out of service when the automated email for in stock status notification was sent out. Curiously, it has been several days since the item was listed as in stock, and it is still listed as in stock, yet I never did receive an email notifying me of the stock status update.

I guess I got lucky?

 

[ChiknNutz]

I ordered a kit today, have not rec'd a shipping confirmation, but it was at least indicated to be in stock.

EDIT: Rec'd shipping confirmation right after I posted this so guess they are still in stock.

 

[Rta108]

I ordered a kit today, have not rec'd a shipping confirmation, but it was at least indicated to be in stock.

EDIT: Rec'd shipping confirmation right after I posted this so guess they are still in stock.

Have you had an opportunity to layout any holes?

 

[ChiknNutz]

I ordered a kit today, have not rec'd a shipping confirmation, but it was at least indicated to be in stock.

EDIT: Rec'd shipping confirmation right after I posted this so guess they are still in stock.

Have you had an opportunity to layout any holes?

Not yet.  Took all the bits out to inspect and was impressed by the overall quality and heft of the components.  Like many here, I appreciate finely made items and this does not disappoint.

I am still designing my MFT.  I am currently laying out the overall size I want.  I also am planning to make an MFT with surfaces at 90 degrees to each other so I have large surface to attach items vertically as well as horizontally.  I am sure this has been done, but haven't yet seen pix.

 

[solyxius1]

I am still designing my MFT.  I am currently laying out the overall size I want.  I also am planning to make an MFT with surfaces at 90 degrees to each other so I have large surface to attach items vertically as well as horizontally.  I am sure this has been done, but haven't yet seen pix.

One example that might give you some ideas ;-)=827

 

[ChiknNutz]

One example that might give you some ideas ;-)=827

That's a good one, thanks.  I was going to make mine a bit larger (and a mobile cart), but may not really need to for the vertical surface, but for the same reasons he illustrates.  I am also making mine from AC plywood so it will be more stable than MDF.

 

[Klemm]

@ChickenNuts - the plans for Dave Stanton's bench are available here -https://tsoproducts.com/plans-drawings/stanton-bench-plans/

along with Parf Guide Systems, Original and Mark 2https://tsoproducts.com/accessories/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-mark-ii/

Hans

 

[Rta108]

I wish I could fit a big table in the garage.

Not for nothing, highly recommend a smaller test of the parf system before you commit to drilling your good top. Especially if you’re going to use nice plywood. Especially if you’re interested in the 32/48 offsets.

 

[Mike Goetzke]

I wish I could fit a big table in the garage.

Not for nothing, highly recommend a smaller test of the parf system before you commit to drilling your good top. Especially if you’re going to use nice plywood. Especially if you’re interested in the 32/48 offsets.

[member=70025]Rta108[/member] - check out my post on a 4x8 table in my garage:  http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/my-take-on-4-ft-x-8-ft-worktable/msg583717/#msg583717