Pdc/4 quaddrill

[CumminsDiesel]

I've only used my PDC in percussive/hammer mode to drive some Phillips screws so far, and I only camed out on one of them, so I was happy with that.

[eek] That mode isn't designed fro screws, rather drilling in masonry. The PDC isn't an impact driver.

Yep,absolutely right,I wish Festool have a decent  impact driver.

 

[joiner1970]

The only bit I hate on my pdc is the hammer. I usually use an SDS but every now and then I've got the pdc in my hand and I can't be bothered to get the sds out. 3 seconds of that horrible screeching and I turn it off and go get the sds lol

 

[jmac80]

The only bit I hate on my pdc is the hammer. I usually use an SDS but every now and then I've got the pdc in my hand and I can't be bothered to get the sds out. 3 seconds of that horrible screeching and I turn it off and go get the sds lol

[member=1584]joiner1970[/member]
That noise was a big deciding factor for me getting the DRC model along with a BHC hammer drill, also the DRC ain't quite as long.
I always prefer to use a a proper hammer drill for the job.
On a side note my forward and back switch is nice and stiff and the gear selector switch is a smidgen stiff going into gear 3 but i doubt i would have even noticed that if i never read about that issue on fog.

cheers

 

[joiner1970]

Yeah I would've bought the DRC but my pdc was one of the eBay specials. An offer too good to refuse.

 

[greg mann]

I don't really see drilling as something that requires a lot of finesse.

  Can't say that I agree with that as a blanket statement. Very small diameter drill bits require very low runout from the drill/chuck that they're mounted in, otherwise the runout at the end of the drill bit not only makes it hard to start the hole exactly on your mark, but the wobble of the bit leads to drill bit breakage due to the side loads being placed on it.  Nothing new there.
The load or torque needed to drive or remove screws/fasteners is different. Nice to have an exact trigger control, esp. with Slotted screws though... [eek]
I'm glad I haven't had to do that, that's many screws to remove that aren't in a more friendly head style like Torx or Square drive...
I've only used my PDC in percussive/hammer mode to drive some Phillips screws so far, and I only camed out on one of them, so I was happy with that. The electronic limit seems to work well,but I need much more work with this drill to learn more about it.

I agree minimum runout is very important with small drills, but where does any runout difference apply to the PDC versus a T or C drill? The spindle configuration is the same. I never mentioned runout as in this case it is a distinction without a difference. It is the spindle speed that makes the PDC so good a drilling small holes. Side load IS important, but that is far more determined by operator skill than runout.

 

[leakyroof]

I've only used my PDC in percussive/hammer mode to drive some Phillips screws so far, and I only camed out on one of them, so I was happy with that.

[eek] That mode isn't designed fro screws, rather drilling in masonry. The PDC isn't an impact driver.

. I know it's not an impact driver. But, try it in low speed ranges 1 or 2, works pretty well.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

The only bit I hate on my pdc is the hammer. I usually use an SDS but every now and then I've got the pdc in my hand and I can't be bothered to get the sds out. 3 seconds of that horrible screeching and I turn it off and go get the sds lol

Ear Plugs,best solution.

 

[Birdhunter]

What makes the noise in the PDC?

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

What makes the noise in the PDC?

The purcussion from the hammer mechanism when drilling into concrete or masonry.

 

[joiner1970]

The only bit I hate on my pdc is the hammer. I usually use an SDS but every now and then I've got the pdc in my hand and I can't be bothered to get the sds out. 3 seconds of that horrible screeching and I turn it off and go get the sds lol

Ear Plugs,best solution.

No,  best solution is to use my SDS less noise and much quicker

 

[CumminsDiesel]

What makes the noise in the PDC?

Honestly,I have no idea! But for some people it make some noise... [eek]

 

[CumminsDiesel]

The only bit I hate on my pdc is the hammer. I usually use an SDS but every now and then I've got the pdc in my hand and I can't be bothered to get the sds out. 3 seconds of that horrible screeching and I turn it off and go get the sds lol

Ear Plugs,best solution.

No,  best solution is to use my SDS less noise and much quicker

Depend of what size you drill and how many holes you drill,its a best solution in you situation.

In my situation its a best overall drill,for concrete,metal and woods,with low torque and high speed!

I just want to add to my PDC a CXS,the best combo in my opinion.

 

[leakyroof]

I don't really see drilling as something that requires a lot of finesse.

  Can't say that I agree with that as a blanket statement. Very small diameter drill bits require very low runout from the drill/chuck that they're mounted in, otherwise the runout at the end of the drill bit not only makes it hard to start the hole exactly on your mark, but the wobble of the bit leads to drill bit breakage due to the side loads being placed on it.  Nothing new there.
The load or torque needed to drive or remove screws/fasteners is different. Nice to have an exact trigger control, esp. with Slotted screws though... [eek]
I'm glad I haven't had to do that, that's many screws to remove that aren't in a more friendly head style like Torx or Square drive...
I've only used my PDC in percussive/hammer mode to drive some Phillips screws so far, and I only camed out on one of them, so I was happy with that. The electronic limit seems to work well,but I need much more work with this drill to learn more about it.

I agree minimum runout is very important with small drills, but where does any runout difference apply to the PDC versus a T or C drill? The spindle configuration is the same. I never mentioned runout as in this case it is a distinction without a difference. It is the spindle speed that makes the PDC so good a drilling small holes. Side load IS important, but that is far more determined by operator skill than runout.

  I felt Alex was making a point about Drills in general,, not the PDC by itself with regards to the 'finesse' comment.
At any rate, removing slotted screws with any drill could drive you mad if it wasn't working out..... [big grin]
Glad he found some other tool that was working better for him in that job.  [eek]

 

[leakyroof]

What makes the noise in the PDC?

Honestly,I have no idea! But for some people it make some noise... [eek]

  Alex or someone else posted a picture of the internal drive assembly on a Percussive type drill to show what's making the noise. Noise level will get worse on the PDC when you move the Speed Range into 4-  Ear Muffs are strongly recommended.... [embarassed]

 

[jmac80]

For me having to wear ear defenders while drilling (especially in small areas like bathrooms where it's super loud) is a total pain on the backside.
That's why i never use my dewalt impact drill anymore, seemed an ok powerful decent sized drill but i just couldn't handle the noise eating my ear drums.

drc 18/4 to the rescue  [big grin]

 

[AlexThePalex]

For me having to wear ear defenders while drilling (especially in small areas like bathrooms where it's super loud) is a total pain on the backside.
That's why i never use my dewalt impact drill anymore, seemed an ok powerful decent sized drill but i just couldn't handle the noise eating my ear drums.

I can't handle the noise of a power tool either, but why is it a pain to wear hearing protection?

I use power tools so much, on a daily basis, and I always have my earmuffs within reach. I often forget I'm wearing them or just don't bother to take them off, they're so light, I hardly feel them anyway.

I've spent almost every single day of the last 6 weeks working with a jackhammer, a sawzall, and an angle grinder to tear down the inside of a house we're renovating, and I can't stand working with a power tool without hearing protection. But WITH hearing protection it's just fine. You still hear the tools, but the noise is reduced to an acceptable level.

 

[#Tee]

I have to agree with jmac, the noise that those tiny impact drivers put out in small empty space drives me and the kids nuts, esp around the wheel well of a car. ya sure you can have hearing protection but its another thing ill have to look for when i need to do some fastening is annoying.

 

[Locks14]

Some tools are noisy, that's life!

To use an impact driver for every screwing function is just stupid and overkill. Equally stupid is to think that an 18v drill, PDC or otherwise can replace an impact driver in all instances! Sometimes you need an impact driver sometimes a drill will do. Sometimes you may think a large fastener is fully seated with a drill driver, but an impact drill will get it that little bit tighter; sometimes that's important, sometimes it's not.

Experience is what tells you if you need an impact or not, but each has their place in any serious hobbyist/professional tradesperson's tool box, neither is a do everything standalone tool!

 

[leakyroof]

Some tools are noisy, that's life!

To use an impact driver for every screwing function is just stupid and overkill. Equally stupid is to think that an 18v drill, PDC or otherwise can replace an impact driver in all instances! Sometimes you need an impact driver sometimes a drill will do. Sometimes you may think a large fastener is fully seated with a drill driver, but an impact drill will get it that little bit tighter; sometimes that's important, sometimes it's not.

Experience is what tells you if you need an impact or not, but each has their place in any serious hobbyist/professional tradesperson's tool box, neither is a do everything standalone tool!

. Well said. [smile]

 

[Staniam]

Some tools are noisy, that's life!

To use an impact driver for every screwing function is just stupid and overkill. Equally stupid is to think that an 18v drill, PDC or otherwise can replace an impact driver in all instances! Sometimes you need an impact driver sometimes a drill will do. Sometimes you may think a large fastener is fully seated with a drill driver, but an impact drill will get it that little bit tighter; sometimes that's important, sometimes it's not.

Experience is what tells you if you need an impact or not, but each has their place in any serious hobbyist/professional tradesperson's tool box, neither is a do everything standalone tool!

Yes, very well said. I actually got rid of my impacts as I no longer need them for what I do. I still do construction type tasks and I'll be doing a 20x30ft deck in the next month but for those the PDC does with ease. Especially using torx bits.

I will probably pickup a bare tool Festool 18v Impact when it comes out next year but I don't really need it. It'll just be a luxury.

I actually picked up another drill/driver today to go with my PDC-CXS combo, the Bosch PS21-2A Pocket Driver. Used it all day building cabinets paired with the CXS and it's a match made in heaven.