Pliers set upcoming

[edwarmr]

[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] I’m glad it worked out for you

I agree with others that the Systainer wastes a lot of space… but I am a sucker for these limited edition sets. I just love the organization aspect of it. The EPP foam is my favorite type of insert. It’s solid and looks nice. They could have done it like their screwdriver/wrench set though and had two layers and stored it in a more slim Sys organizer.

 

[RussellS]

And that stripping pliers... it's the type you only buy if you never have to use it again! Absolute horror to use, especially if using more than one cross section.

By wire stripping pliers, do you mean the one in the middle?  The one with the jaws at top clamping into each other, and that screw adjuster sticking out the side?  I've never seen wire strippers like that.  All of the wire I strip has been regular sized (10, 12, 14 gauge solid copper) or the thinner stranded.  My wire strippers have an official slot for all the different sizes.  Not sure why I need or want an adjustable wire stripper.  Wire only comes in official sizes.  Its not like hardwood from the mill that comes in all different widths and lengths and thickness.  Where you adjust your fence or blade to cut it to the right size.

 

[rvieceli]

All the whining aside  [tongue]... NWS makes VERY nice stuff. As Seth has pointed out, here in the US the average price of those pliers is probably around 30-35USD. So you get $210 to $245 worth of pliers and a pretty much free systainer.

I'm also reasonably certain that if you choose to remove the foam insert you can. Then you can just throw your stuff in the empty systainer!  [eek]

While I agree on the stripper choice not being MY favorite, it does actually work.

Ron

 

[Mini Me]

And that stripping pliers... it's the type you only buy if you never have to use it again! Absolute horror to use, especially if using more than one cross section.

They are actually pretty good if you back off the adjustment setter so it is not effective but to do that you have to use them a lot and feel when the insulation has been cut through. I used them every day in a previous work life and never cut into the conductor and we were using very small wire. I do get your point though, the idea is not really a good one.

 

[Coen]

And that stripping pliers... it's the type you only buy if you never have to use it again! Absolute horror to use, especially if using more than one cross section.

By wire stripping pliers, do you mean the one in the middle?  The one with the jaws at top clamping into each other, and that screw adjuster sticking out the side?  I've never seen wire strippers like that.  All of the wire I strip has been regular sized (10, 12, 14 gauge solid copper) or the thinner stranded.  My wire strippers have an official slot for all the different sizes.  Not sure why I need or want an adjustable wire stripper.  Wire only comes in official sizes.  Its not like hardwood from the mill that comes in all different widths and lengths.  Where you adjust your fence or blade to cut it to the right size.

Yes, that is the one I mean. I have a Knipex (Multistrip 10) that is auto-adjust. Anything with single layer PVC insulation works. Some XLPE insulation has I use another plier with one-size stripping ability. That thing with the screw on the side... thin wires get bend and the screw always wanders off changing the setting of the pliers. In NL home installations it's 90% 2.5mm2 and the rest is 1.5mm2... some DIY will set that pliers to 1.5mm2 and damage all the 2.5mm2 conductors

And that stripping pliers... it's the type you only buy if you never have to use it again! Absolute horror to use, especially if using more than one cross section.

They are actually pretty good if you back off the adjustment setter so it is not effective but to do that you have to use them a lot and feel when the insulation has been cut through. I used them every day in a previous work life and never cut into the conductor and we were using very small wire. I do get your point though, the idea is not really a good one.

Very small wire just gets bend. Most of these pliers have to much of a gap between the jaws. I definitely encounter the use of this type of pliers on a regular basis; wires stripped too far and damaged conductors that break just at the spot where the pliers carved them.

I definitely like my Knipex Multistrip (not for XLPE); all the usual stuff from 0.34mm2, 6mm2 stranded, 6mm solid... all without problem and without adjusting anything. And the Multistrip 10 is even 20% lighter  [tongue]

However, if I had to re-buy I would probably get the new PreciStrip 16 because it deals with XLPE better;

 

[Cheese]

And that stripping pliers... it's the type you only buy if you never have to use it again! Absolute horror to use, especially if using more than one cross section.

Ya I missed that Frankenpliers... [eek]...I could see its usefulness if you're stripping only a single gauge wire but for multiple gauge wires I know I'd drop kick it across the room.

The 2 Knipex's that Coen showed work really well. I've used the Buchanan version of them.

My preferred wire stripper is this one circled in red. Manufactured by Ideal they run about $50-$55. If you're careful and with a little practice, you can also remove the outer insulation from 2 & 3 conductor cords without nicking the conductors inside.

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[Coen]

Yeah, the one you circled has the most even way to cut the insulation. But no depth scale. Although similar models exist with a depth stop. For about € 55 you can buy the Knipex version here with depth stop;


There are also more expensive versions with a dual cutter so there is no 'gripping' of the insulation.
. That is especially useful for solar cable, teflon insulation etc.

The horrible type from the Systainer; loctite the setscrew if only using one cross section;

 

[usernumber1]

i'm a big fan of these self adjusting from klein. they can do romex insulation with no practicing and all the popular gauges. I'm not a fan of the other type which klein calls Katapult

i wanted to try those self adjusting knipex but they are hard to find in NA. maybe our wires are a little different here so they might not be as useful
https://www.kleintools.com/catalog/combination-cutting-tools/wire-stripper-and-cutter-self-adjusting

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[Coen]

Insane injury risk with those exposes cutters on the Klein. You also need a huge length of free wire. Stripping range only 0.5-6mm2

Maybe US wiring has different thickness insulation. I don't know.

 

[rvieceli]

[member=68525]usernumber1[/member] KCTOOL seems to have the Knipex ones. But they are certainly not cheap.
https://www.kctool.com/automatic-wire-strippers/?_bc_fsnf=1&brand=36

Ron

 

[Coen]

The Precistrip 16 can be had for €70 including 19% VAT in Germany. Some profit margins for shipping over the Atlantic  [huh]

 

[Crazyraceguy]

[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] I’m glad it worked out for you

I agree with others that the Systainer wastes a lot of space… but I am a sucker for these limited edition sets. I just love the organization aspect of it. The EPP foam is my favorite type of insert. It’s solid and looks nice. They could have done it like their screwdriver/wrench set though and had two layers and stored it in a more slim Sys organizer.

That is mostly why I said in my original post that "I don't need them, but will probably buy the set. It's just like the little metric hex screwdrivers I posted about in the "what did you buy toady?" thread, I don't need them. I have several sets of different styles: L shaped, T-handle, 1/4" hex driver bits, and 1/4" square drive for a ratchet. Those little screwdriver ones just behind me on a magnet are great for the Lamello Zeta Clamex (4mm) and just today I grabbed the 2mm one to hold-back the paddles on the DF500.
Since I am in a shared-space of a commercial shop, my stuff is not as "on display" (easy to reach) as it would be if I was at home with it. Granted my Systainers are not locked/lockable, but everything else goes into the big black roll-cab every night. I'm not necessarily worried about theft, but the "walk-away" factor, where someone needs something, and they just grab it because it's right there in your face. The wouldn't go digging around in drawers, but if it is sittng right there...

 

[luvmytoolz]

I think a great many of us would be in trouble if we started throwing around "I don't need them but....."! ;-)

 

[Cheese]

Yeah, the one you circled has the most even way to cut the insulation. But no depth scale. Although similar models exist with a depth stop. For about € 55 you can buy the Knipex version here with depth stop;

. That is especially useful for solar cable, teflon insulation etc.

Oh, I like this 12 12 02 a lot...very clever cutting action on it along with a depth stop.  [smile]

 

[Bob D.]

A facility I used to work in was very anal about crimping tools. There were controlled as M&TE (Measuring & Test Equipment) and calibrated on a regular schedule. Further, you had to check the stripper or crimp tool with a gauge before each use, and of course log the M&TE number and Cal Due date in the procedure where you were using it. When the tool got back to the toolroom if it had been damaged or dropped or it was due for calibration it was sent back to the Cal Lab.

If the as found was out of spec then EVERY job that tool was used on since it's last calibration would be reviewed to see if they needed to go back and double check anything. Same deal with torque wrenches, pressure gauges, calipers, etc.

Multi-size strippers or crimpers were not allowed. They would take a tool like that Knipex stripper and grind off all the sizes except the one size that the stripper or crimper had been calibrated for. If you had a tool that had interchangeable dies, each die set had its own M&TE number and was treated as a unique piece of test equipment.

Try making a couple hundred terminations in a controls cabinet working with these rules and see how long it takes. Two hours work will take anywhere from 4 to 6. Oh, just to make it easier on some jobs every termination made or wire lifted has to be IV'd (independently verified) and logged on paper and the person who did the IV has to initial it was correct.

 

[mino]

Kudos to Festool sticking with the blue systainer, but that insert is even more space-wasting than the one for the ratchet set.  Still looks better than the elastic lid insert, I suppose...

Seconded.

These sets are SCREAMING for SYS-ORG as the "base" chassis for them.

 

[rvieceli]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] that 12 12 02 strips 14 - 32 AWG

The 12 12 13 does 10 -20 AWG

Ron

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Well, I looked into this a little deeper. Seems that you can buy this from Amazon DE site for about 160 Euros. (Right now, that is very close to dollars) the rub is the shipping. To get it here would cost an additional $128. I can't imagine that when it does hit the US market, that the price is going to be a lot different? So, saving that shipping cost is real.
I might be a little [huh] but I'm not paying that, if I can wait a while. As before, I don't need them, so there is no real hurry either.

 

[Coen]

Yeah, the one you circled has the most even way to cut the insulation. But no depth scale. Although similar models exist with a depth stop. For about € 55 you can buy the Knipex version here with depth stop;

. That is especially useful for solar cable, teflon insulation etc.

Oh, I like this 12 12 02 a lot...very clever cutting action on it along with a depth stop.  [smile]

There are like 6 different ones in the 12 12 ## series. Four metric. Different ranges.

 

[edwarmr]

Well, I looked into this a little deeper. Seems that you can buy this from Amazon DE site for about 160 Euros. (Right now, that is very close to dollars) the rub is the shipping. To get it here would cost an additional $128. I can't imagine that when it does hit the US market, that the price is going to be a lot different? So, saving that shipping cost is real.
I might be a little [huh] but I'm not paying that, if I can wait a while. As before, I don't need them, so there is no real hurry either.

Based on the ratchet set and the MFT-FX set I would guess around the $250-$300 range but who knows

Limited edition sets are almost always much cheaper in Europe. That basic Centrotec set with a few basic drill bits and drivers in a blue Sys Organizer cost around $100 from one dealer in Europe without shipping. Here it’s $239.