Pliers set upcoming

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] that 12 12 02 strips 14 - 32 AWG

The 12 12 13 does 10 -20 AWG

Ron

Thanks for the heads-up Ron, those metric gauge wire capacities do confuse the hell out of me. In this instance, the 14-32 AWG seems to be the dinner winner. I use a Romex stripper for the typical 10, 12, & 14 gauge stuff.

 

[Coen]

See table below for the different versions of the 12 12;
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Note that with the 06 and the 11 the biggest hole is on different place. Spare blades for the imperial ones not pictured.

Also found the pliers Systainer at the Toolstation, but someone had fun with the picture;
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[big grin]

 

[Michael Kellough]

Two-headed pliers  [eek]

 

[FestitaMakool]

I like the plier set, apart from the wire stripper, the rest seem very nice and are very versatile, and I’d like to duplicate and spread more pliers around. Pricing seems favourable, inlay is a total waste of space; good suggestions mentioned: Festool, make room for additional tools!!
The systainer is welcome for other use.

(I have a Wiha version of that Knipex auto thingy and a Blue Point and a few others. I like the Wiha..)

 

[demographic]

Whilst those assassins gun style cases look nice, they arent arf crap for actually utilizing space in an efficient way.

I keep seeing where people have put a load of tools that can basically take a bit of knock about into a case where they cant touch each other and to me it just looks a bit like they just like collecting pretty things.

I'm just not blown away by so much wasted space.

I get it if it was a load of micrometers, vernier calipers and so on but pliers? Naah, just seems a tad obsessive to me.

 

[Coen]

Yeah, they could have easily fitted the same amount of pliers in a 1/2 sized inlay. Like Bosch does with their tools; 1/2 sized inlays. Like their RM3 (remote control motorized turntable for crossline lasers); it comes with a 1/2 inlay.

The same with the socket set. This is my current socketset (well, one of four, but still the biggest);
(With slightly different grips on the ratchets... because for whatever reason it keeps changing slightly, ok)
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Box footprint is about the same as a Systainer.. but half height.

Now the socketset in Systainer;
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So you get way way way less in 2x the space. Also, the foam inlay will never get clean once you get a bunch of oil, grease or dirt on it.

So the Mannesmann box isn't stackable with anything, the hinge is slowly tearing, one clip is gone the way of lala land. Maybe I put it in an Organizer and just cut out the vacuum formed inlay of the Mannesman box and high-tack it in the Organizer... but no way I will buy a half-sized set in a Systainer.

But loading the lid so much might be a problem.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Whilst those assassins gun style cases look nice, they arent arf junk for actually utilizing space in an efficient way.

I keep seeing where people have put a load of tools that can basically take a bit of knock about into a case where they cant touch each other and to me it just looks a bit like they just like collecting pretty things.

I'm just not blown away by so much wasted space.

I get it if it was a load of micrometers, vernier calipers and so on but pliers? Naah, just seems a tad obsessive to me.

Agreed. I whipped the 'Misc. Hand Tools' Sys3 T-Loc out of the van today and counted up. There are 48 hand tools in there. 8 x Forge Steel stubby screwdrivers, 5 x Wera regular screwdrivers, 4 x VDE screwdrivers, 5 x pairs of assorted pliers, 2 x Erstwing hammers, an Erbauer rubber mallet, 3 x Kronospan laminate flooring knockers/pullers/clamps, a Bosch voltage/metal detector, 2 x Stanley knives, a collapsible DeWalt padsaw, a Surform, 3 x Magnusson files, 6 x Magnusson microfiles, 2 x Bahco adjustable wrenches, 2 x Harris stripping knives and 2 x Harris filler knives. Everything's a bit beaten up, but everything works hard for a living and everything's at least 10 years old.   

All of my plumbing hand tools (wrenches, radiator keys, pipe slicers, more files, blah blah blah) sit in one drawer of a Sys4/TL3 Sortainer. All of the remaining 11 drawers of my other two Sys4/TL3's hold similar delights.

Sure - it sometimes takes me 10 seconds of goofing and sifting around to find what I need in a box, but my van would have to be three times the size if everything was stored as wastefully and as inefficiently as this. A Sys2 just for a few sheets of abrasive? Or a Sys4 for some adhesive/caulk cartridges? I totally get the fact that folks like to be organised and tidy (which I am - obsessively), but there comes a point where it just smells of being a corporate contest to see 'how many almost-empty Systainers can we sell?' competition. The above pack efficiency becomes especially relevant when you get to a job and realise that you have to park your van 200 metres away from the building entrance ........

Me? I have 32 Systainers. And they're all full. Like - really, really full.

 

[Coen]

Or a Sys4 for some adhesive/caulk cartridges?

Some people have a full-time job caulking. If I had... I would definitely get a few of those. But not in Sys4 but in Sys5, so you can leave the tip on.

If I see the average quality of the caulking job on new bathrooms... I understand why some people get a full-time job out of it lol.

 

[Coen]

my van would have to be three times the size if everything

So the car lobby might be behind Sys3 after all.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Speaking of the socket set. I was a bit surprised/annoyed that there is no 7/16" socket?
The 1/2" drive set stops at 1/2" as the smallest on the fractional side.
The 1/4" drive side should start at 7/16" and go smaller, right? Nope, it starts at 1/2" also, so there are two at 1/2", ok, whatever? Then the next size smaller should be 7/16", no again.  It was something silly, like 13/32".
Sure, I could just use the 11mm, it is very close, but who needs those 1/32 increments?
Maybe with ignition wrenches, but when do you use one of those last?
7/16" is very common, it is the size for 1/4" bolts (with hex heads)
I was too busy, at the time, to look into it any further  [unsure]

 

[luvmytoolz]

Some people have a full-time job caulking. If I had... I would definitely get a few of those. But not in Sys4 but in Sys5, so you can leave the tip on.

If I see the average quality of the caulking job on new bathrooms... I understand why some people get a full-time job out of it lol.

It would be pointless leaving the tip on as you'd need to take it off to cut the end of the tube off before using it anyway. But I could see a SYS4 being very handy for storing them if you relied on large amounts of caulk, etc.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I always leave the tip on mine, though it would be nice if they made caps for them when you do take the tip off. I don't bother with trying to cut the tip if it gets clogged though. I just pitch it and put on a new one. We have dozens of extras in a drawer at any given moment. There are times when I will use up 3 or 4 tubes in a single day, same tip just gets moved to the next tube. That's how there are so many extras.
We go through a lot of silicone, in the solid surface department, so it's aways around when I need it.

 

[Cheese]

I've always trashed the tip cover and just installed these instead. They're shorter and they last longer.

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[Coen]

[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] Yes... that's why I said... you get less in more space. The Mannesmann set I pictured has 1/4" from 4mm up to 14mm while 1/2" starts at 10mm up to 32mm.

Some people have a full-time job caulking. If I had... I would definitely get a few of those. But not in Sys4 but in Sys5, so you can leave the tip on.

If I see the average quality of the caulking job on new bathrooms... I understand why some people get a full-time job out of it lol.

It would be pointless leaving the tip on as you'd need to take it off to cut the end of the tube off before using it anyway. But I could see a SYS4 being very handy for storing them if you relied on large amounts of caulk, etc.

There are tips with a cap. Bison Polymax sells with that type of tip. Also, manual caulk gun doesn't fit vertical in Sys4.

I always leave the tip on mine, though it would be nice if they made caps for them when you do take the tip off. I don't bother with trying to cut the tip if it gets clogged though. I just pitch it and put on a new one. We have dozens of extras in a drawer at any given moment. There are times when I will use up 3 or 4 tubes in a single day, same tip just gets moved to the next tube. That's how there are so many extras.
We go through a lot of silicone, in the solid surface department, so it's aways around when I need it.

They already make those;https://www.kitcentrum.nl/nozzles-t...-spuitmond/afsluitdopje-koker-zakje-5-stuks-p:1427/&cc=

Note you need the other variant for the metal tubes.

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]; ahaa. The caulk condom.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The caulking tubes we use have screw on tips. The tip does not have to be cut open, it is already open. You have to cut the end of the tube itself and screw on the tip. That way, when you use multiple tubes, you can keep using the same tip.

I really don't see the "waste of space" other than vertically? This doesn't need to be in a Systainer that tall, other than fitting with the system approach, but Festool gave up on that themselves with the Sys3.
A lot of the tools could be stored in a smaller container, but once you are locked into a specific footprint, all you can do is alter the height. The original system had this right.

I really don't get the 2 sockets of one size and missing one that is pretty important?
To me these a wood-shop tools, so I am not concerned about the greasy hands issue.
The one that is really a waste of space is the Centrotech set and it even has a two-layer tray, at least partially. The storage cups are all the smallest size, with 5 of the magnetic-tip style bits in each, the longer (actual Centrotech) tips are in the top layer, drill bits under that. There is also an open storage pocket down there. That layer is very shallow, what can you really store there?
I'm thinking about getting some of the bigger containers for the upper section.

 

[rst]

As a professional glazier, I'm always having to store open tubes.  I use clear packing tape wrapped around the end and extending beyond the tips pinched shut and then squeeze a little into the closed tape.  I've kept expensive polyurethane and silicone for months this way.

 

[Coen]

The caulking tubes we use have screw on tips. The tip does not have to be cut open, it is already open. You have to cut the end of the tube itself and screw on the tip. That way, when you use multiple tubes, you can keep using the same tip.

You have to cut the tip to size, depending on the job at hand. The screw on tip is universal. The same tips fit some smaller toothpaste-like ones (what in NL is called 'tube', different pronunciation than in English) too.

I really don't see the "waste of space" other than vertically? This doesn't need to be in a Systainer that tall, other than fitting with the system approach, but Festool gave up on that themselves with the Sys3.
A lot of the tools could be stored in a smaller container, but once you are locked into a specific footprint, all you can do is alter the height. The original system had this right.

They could have put the same pliers in half an inlay, leaving the rest open for other stuff. But the pain is of course that Systainers are not being symmetric around both applicable axis like L-boxxes (those even mount 180 degrees rotated).

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Update regarding the 48 hand tools in my Sys3. There were a few bits out on the bench when I counted up. So I forgot to mention an ancient no-brand lump hammer, a JCB bolster chisel, a Stanley scraper and a Stabila torpedo level. So that’s actually 52.

 

[peter halle]

Update regarding the 48 hand tools in my Sys3. There were a few bits out on the bench when I counted up. So I forgot to mention an ancient no-brand lump hammer, a JCB bolster chisel, a Stanley scraper and a Stabila torpedo level. So that’s actually 52.

Out of curiosity - from a not-so-young guy who has packed lots of hand tools in a Sys-4 before - how much does yours weigh?  Do you mainly use it for storage and it stays in your vehicle, or does it come right to the work in hand?

Peter

 

[Michael Kellough]

Years ago before T-lock I made a pair of small drawer cabinets that stack into a classic Sys 4. The program for sorting is whatever fits the drawer height. That resulted in little cabinets that are heavy for the size. At least 30 pounds for the loaded Sys 4. Drawer heights are 1/2”, 5/8”, 7/8”, and 1-1/4”. The blue pliers fit in a 5/8” tall drawer.