Review of the new kapex stand

[tom tdm]

Hi new stand a lot better than the old set up,Yes hands never out your pockets to keep up with new up to date tools. You will get more beers on your mft if you get this new stand [big grin]

Regards Tom

 

[Brice Burrell]

...Plus, you'd have nowhere to set down your beer........

Wrong shade of green but it will work.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I love my festools, but after buying the kapex and the table and the knobs to mount it to the table and then the crown extentions so I could buy the extentions for it, I now own a $3,000.00 miterbox saw and stand. Is it just me or is any else getting a little P O getting $100.00- $500.00 to death. If you buy a router and then a guild fence you have to buy a hole new case so it will fit. A course after you do they come out with all new cases that do not work well with the other ones. Maybe it's just me. Dan

I hear you Dan, but remember, you don't have to buy any Festool products.  We do so by choice.  I pick and choose which Festool products are worth the expense because not all of them are. As it so happens, I'm going to pass on this one.

 

[semenza]

Hi,

Has anyone tried the new extensions with the Kapex on the MFT/Kapex?  Is the height the same ? If not how far off is it? Seems like posts in this thread suggest that they will not work together.

Seth

 

[jonny round boy]

Hi,

Has anyone tried the new extensions with the Kapex on the MFT/Kapex?  Is the height the same ? If not how far off is it? Seems like posts in this thread suggest that they will not work together.

Seth

Seth,

These extensions WILL work with the MFT/Kapex. The MFT/Kapex and the stand are the same height. It's a system. [thumbs up]

I built my new stand at the same height as the MFT/Kapex (790mm) so I could use the extensions with that.

 

[festooldude]

the thing is, when i put my kapex flat on the floor, and i put the sys 1 T-loc  2 feet away to support the stock because it's about 3mm higher,  it puts the stock up at an angle, so the 90 degree cut, is off by almost a degree.. i find that annoying......
thnks rick

Depending on what is in the T-Loc, you turn it upside down and turn in 90 degrees. That way your material would be in between the feet on the bottom that is now facing up.

nice tip,  i guess i can use my FS sys for it.. nothing in that sys can do any damage turning it around..

Thanks..!!! [big grin]

 

[Kodi Crescent]

I love my festools, but after buying the kapex and the table and the knobs to mount it to the table and then the crown extentions so I could buy the extentions for it, I now own a $3,000.00 miterbox saw and stand. Is it just me or is any else getting a little P O getting $100.00- $500.00 to death. If you buy a router and then a guild fence you have to buy a hole new case so it will fit. A course after you do they come out with all new cases that do not work well with the other ones. Maybe it's just me. Dan

Festool has mastered the art of separating you from your money.  I am also PO'd about being hundred and five-hundred'd to death. 

 

[Kodi Crescent]

I hear you Dan, but remember, you don't have to buy any Festool products.  We do so by choice.  I pick and choose which Festool products are worth the expense because not all of them are. As it so happens, I'm going to pass on this one.

Brice, I can agree with your statement to a point.  There comes a point where it really becomes ridiculous, though.  I'll use the 36 mm hose for an example.  Most tools accept either size hose.  Some only accept the 27 mm hose though.  But if you want to maximize dust collection, you spend the $128 for the 36 mm hose, and then you have to spend an ADDITIONAL $50 or so for an ad hoc adapter just so you can get it to work with your entire suite of tools.  It's ridiculous.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I only use my 36mm hose on the tools it fits on. 

I don't see the reason to try and use it on sanders, so that saved me 50 bucks.

I have enough stuff now I really only buy as needed.  There are only a couple things I have bought and really not used.

You don't always have to have the latest and greatest.

 

[honeydoman]

i am back and I am feeling better from bronchitus for the last 4 days..  thanks for all the comments and conversation about the stand.

I am going to be using it on a job monday custom trimming out some windows so I will report back and how it went. also I will check and see if the saw needs to be reversed on the stand.  and thanks for pointing that out.

 

[ApgarConstruction]

are people really complaining that the systainer is slightly higher and so they can't use it for material support?    what kind of jobsites are you working on, or shops for that matter that your saw is on the floor and you have to use systainers for material support.  that's a pathetic setup,  maybe in an emergency situation but really,  is it worth even discussing?  I wouldn't trust any cuts to be accurate when you don't have the proper setup.

I don't see myself buying the kapex, these extensions or stand etc.  800 bucks for that little cart and two 4' pieces of aluminum that don't even allow you to use crown stops?  no thanks.  I can setup two saw horses,  a nice home made bench and put my chopsaw on it just as fast and i have built in material support on the bench and places to put tools,  cuts, etc next to the saw.   

I think this cart looks like a huge waste of money.  i know festool is expensive and their tools are great but this is a tiny cart and some extension,  no justification for charging that much money.  if that much engineering went into it,  it should use the crown stops too.    I'd rather see a kapex on the MFT  than this rolling cart. 

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

are people really complaining that the systainer is slightly higher and so they can't use it for material support?    what kind of jobsites are you working on, or shops for that matter that your saw is on the floor and you have to use systainers for material support.   that's a pathetic setup,   maybe in an emergency situation but really,  is it worth even discussing?  I wouldn't trust any cuts to be accurate when you don't have the proper setup.

I don't see myself buying the kapex, these extensions or stand etc.   800 bucks for that little cart and two 4' pieces of aluminum that don't even allow you to use crown stops?  no thanks.   I can setup two saw horses,  a nice home made bench and put my chopsaw on it just as fast and i have built in material support on the bench and places to put tools,  cuts, etc next to the saw.   

I think this cart looks like a huge waste of money.   i know festool is expensive and their tools are great but this is a tiny cart and some extension,   no justification for charging that much money.   if that much engineering went into it,  it should use the crown stops too.     I'd rather see a kapex on the MFT  than this rolling cart. 

For starters, I always use my Kapex on the floor if I am installing some sort of wood flooring.  Not having to keep getting up and down is good for my knees and back.  Not bad for base shoe either.

I have said it and I will repeat it, the Kapex on it's mft/3 with these new wings would have been better then the saw helper.  with the lack of the well thought out crown stops on these new wings, renders them quite impractical for a lot trim carpenters. 

I will hang onto my old version of the wings, I have grown to like them and set up is fairly quick now.

I don't think I trust the over grown CT handles to keep my Kapex safe.

 

[honeydoman]

Apgar. Thanks for your response

How do you make repeat cuts on your home made set up?
Do you have stops?  Just curious

Lots of guys make home made stands similar to yours saw horses 2x4's. Top to hold saw space in truck to carry it all and several trips back and forth to carry all the parts and again at the end of the day to lug it back

This stand is one trip  again saves time. Just a thought. Not trying to change you mind as that won't happen but just sometimg to think about because in a year you have spent at least $500-700 in time of extra trips back and forth . So what are you saving? 

 

[Guy Ashley]

Kreg great review and coupled with JMB's acrobatics on his video post I am starting to lose my scepticism about this stand.

When you do an on site evaluation and post the results will you be able to include the stability of the extensions with heavier sections of timber.

I have a job coming up where I have to cut in roof trusses and it would be interesting to see how the extensions cope with timber that size.

 

[jmbfestool]

Kreg great review and coupled with JMB's acrobatics on his video post I am starting to lose my scepticism about this stand.

When you do an on site evaluation and post the results will you be able to include the stability of the extensions with heavier sections of timber.

I have a job coming up where I have to cut in roof trusses and it would be interesting to see how the extensions cope with timber that size.

Haahaaa! Wa you doing coming into my type of work! You paslode monkey!

I have not used my kapex much for roofing cus of the angle cuts being so big I just find it easier to gang cut the rafter but I have cut very large timbers with it though and it's been fine. I dont like the lifting the rafter to the chop saw all the time especially when they are really long.

Jmb

 

[Guy Ashley]

Haahaaa! Wa you doing coming into my type of work! You paslode monkey!

I have not used my kapex much for roofing cus of the angle cuts being so big I just find it easier to gang cut the rafter but I have cut very large timbers with it though and it's been fine. I dont like the lifting the rafter to the chop saw all the time especially when they are really long.

Jmb
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[mad] [mad] Oi!!!  [big grin]

Its a full refurb of a Grade II farmhouse where an attached extension is being bought up to the roofing level of the existing building so new trusses and joists to be cut in on site.

The 7" x 2" 's will come in 4.5m lengths I would think so would cut down and trim the tail and plumb cut with the Kapex. Once I template the truss would probably cut the birds mouth 2 or 3 at a time with an alligator saw.

Its a thatch job and the existing timbers on the old section look a bit dodgy from what I can see but English Heritage want as much of the original to remain as possible.

I can see they are going to be a real PITA!!

If I have any problems I will call you and you can teach this old dog new tricks!!!  ;D ;D

 

[windmill man]

Hi Guy,

The Kapex  stand and extensions are a lot more robust and sturdy than they might look. 7x2  4.5 m no problem, unless you bounce them on and you dont seem to be the sort of chap that is rough ore abusive on his kit. I have cut 12 x 3 lam beams on mine no worries.  Nice thing is its bang on accurate when set up. just one tip it you are working on soft ground with big timbers i put a pad of ply under the single leg . it stops it sinking.

John

 

[Guy Ashley]

John

Thanks, thats the reassurance I needed. More meaningful than JMB doing his Billy Elliot impersonation!

Only thing is I am now feeling mixed emotions,

Agnst at the money about to drain out of my wallet,

Relief at not having to cough my lungs out every time I cut with the DW718,

Tredipation and painful anticipation for the incoming abuse from Woodguy after all the months I have been saying "Dont need the Kapex and certainly not with that Zimmer Frame!"

A conversion on the road to Damascus!! [big grin]

Best go and post my DW718 and stand on Ebay!! [eek] [eek]

 

[jmbfestool]

John

Thanks, thats the reassurance I needed. More meaningful than JMB doing his Billy Elliot impersonation!

Only thing is I am now feeling mixed emotions,

Agnst at the money about to drain out of my wallet,

Relief at not having to cough my lungs out every time I cut with the DW718,

Tredipation and painful anticipation for the incoming abuse from Woodguy after all the months I have been saying "Dont need the Kapex and certainly not with that Zimmer Frame!"

A conversion on the road to Damascus!! [big grin]

Best go and post my DW718 and stand on Ebay!! [eek] [eek]

Wa u on about temporary site monkey [poke]! I have been saying all along the ug stand is good and does the job that should of had some meaning! Here is my say! It's light easy to transport and is robust enough for all needs basically if the kapex can chop it the stand can support it! How about that! That's meaning full!  

I made the video for wood guy cus wood guy had second thoughts because you made him worry by saying it's a zimmer frame and wont be up for the job lol! So he asked me for my opinion but still was wasnt sure so I said I'll do a video as proof lol   But doing the video it has help you see the light and hopefully many others on Fog and facebook as I saw to day Shane has linked my video on facebook cheeky devil!

Shane said it took me 25 seconds to set the kapex up! I can do it quicker I was not even rushing!I should do a video show how fast can I set the kapex up and down lol!   Kreg says it takes 5 mins to set up kapex with both left and right extension and 1 min just the kapex with no extensions?  [scared]

Jmb

 

[Guy Ashley]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, ALRIGHT!!!!!!!! [mad] [mad]

Your vid and Kregs review got me thinking and Woodguy and John have convinced me so you can have 25% of the credit!

At least the next time you drop by my workshop you wont be ripping the hell out of me about that horrible big yellow thing in the corner!!

HAPPY NOW!!! ;D