Rockler started to carry Festool products ?

Sparktrician said:
Cheese said:
The second issue is that NONE of their employees were knowledgeable about Festool equipment. On more than one occasion, after I repeatedly asked several questions, the Rockler employee walked me up to the cash register and gave me the business card of the local Festool rep. So, not only were they unschooled about Festool equipment, but worse yet, they had no inclination to even learn about Festool. For their own sake I hope they prepare for the exam better the 2nd time around.  [tongue]

I've run into similar attitude and lack of product knowledge at the two Woodcraft franchises in Northern Virginia.  In one location, the display MFT/3 was set up wrong and was missing parts, and the staff just didn't seem to care one bit.  In the other, nobody knew about the RO 125 and how to teach a new user how to avoid the surly behavior sometimes associated with that sander.  [mad]  Any more, when I go to Woodcraft, I go to the franchise in Rockville, MD, where people know their products well, and can instruct users properly.  [smile]

most hobbiest stores think like you do.

However the local woodcraft had no problem ,the local timber/plwood hardware shop (Austins H&H and Reel lumber  and Anderson plywood where the pros go) had no issues and even had dog biskets on hand bc a lot of contractors bring their dogs with them, so no worries. those stores hae the same or more or better products and better pricing for the items I went for, mainly hardware and hardwood .
So I would drive by Rockler to go to those stores.

As far as employees having knowledge about  FT , Reel doesn't really sell a lot of tools,they are a hardwood,plywood, moulding supplier,  the others have a staff that are very well trained in FT. Don at Anderson Ply is one of the most knowledgeable people I know about those tools.

Austin has a huge supply and display of FT more than Rockler did anyway.

The Woodcraft has employees that have gone through dealer training and a larger display and quanity of FT than Rockler did.

I cant say that WC are the most knowledgable but they do have a good understanding. I only went there bc they were a little closer then the others.

So you can go to Rockler Ill go to the others stores.

and bring my doggie. Spend my money at those stores.

Oh and forgot to mention, Now that I moved, I go to Peterman lumber, its a huge wharehouse very good prices on hardwood and ply. They dont sell FT just basic stuff ,
Guess what, I bring my dog there to. The ladies in the office love her.
 
yetihunter said:
Dog or not, every Rockler I have been to has offered up shopping experiences so awful that I stop in when near one just for the entertainment.

It is for that reason that I avoid them like the plague!
 
harry_ said:
yetihunter said:
Dog or not, every Rockler I have been to has offered up shopping experiences so awful that I stop in when near one just for the entertainment.

It is for that reason that I avoid them like the plague!

The ONLY time I've ever had a productive shopping experience at a Rockler store is when they offered an epoxy tutorial hosted by Jess Crow from Crow Creek Designs.
https://crowcreekdesignsak.com

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yetihunter said:
Dog or not, every Rockler I have been to has offered up shopping experiences so awful that I stop in when near one just for the entertainment.

+1
 
I guess I'm lucky.  The closest Rockler to me is 45 minutes away in Williamsport, PA.  It is actually housed in Hermance Machine, a distributor and manufacturer of wood working machines since 1902 when Williamsport was the "lumber capitol of the World.  Even after Festool dropped Rockler, Hermance continued to sell through the Rockler store which is in the same building.  I bought my first rails there.
 
Price competing is only fair if everybody is allowed to do it, and on an even playing field.
I have bought vast amounts of Makita tools over many years, sometimes getting promotional deals, sometimes getting good discount on the volume of tools purchased at a single visit, and sometimes not.
A few years back, I found an online dealer selling at very competitive prices. I checked out their feedback, nearly all glowing reports.

So I thought I’d give them a shot but, instead of buying online, I drove to their advertised shop/store.

On first visit, I was honestly blown away by the size and stock carried. They had numerous makes on display including Bosch, De Walt, Festool and Fein to name a few. Only really Makita stock showed outstanding deals though.

Well I started like a frantic kid in a toy shop, ferrying power tools from the shelf, and stacking them up on the counter.
The assistant had a permanent grin on his face.

Eventually I reached my budget, well maybe just over 🤭

The assistant started adding up, still grinning. When he gave me the total, I got excited, as whilst picking the tools, I was calculating as I’m good with RRP’s on tools.

I still cheekily asked if they could do further discount? The assistant made an internal call, and a minute later a chap came downstairs and introduced himself as the owner.

He said “I tell you what mate, I can’t knock any more off but, I can give you a couple of freebies?”

Yes, great I replied, thank you, thinking I would get a few packs of sandpaper. He went back upstairs, and came down with two boxes, there you go mate, he said as he put them on the counter.
One box had the latest Makita site radio on it, the other was a Makita twin bank charger and four batteries!

Well I couldn’t hide my almost embarrassing gratitude, and thanked him very much.
No problem mate, you’ve been a good customer today, thanks for the business.

I cheekily asked him how he could provide such deals, are the tools refurbished? No mate, he said, I get a good deal, which means good business, it’s as simple as that.
After I complimented him on the shop/store, he said, yeah it’s nice but, I make the majority of my money with the online stuff.

I thanked him again, and said see you soon.

His assistant helped me load up the truck. I was opening the boxes/cases as we were loading, I told the assistant, no offence but, you can’t be too careful. No problem he said, I’d do the same.

When I returned to the workshop, my son was grinning, where have you been dad, and where did this lot come from? When I told him the story, he was also excited.

Well, we made a few more visits, and both my son and me got some amazing deals.
Then one day I calked them, no ring tone? This happened every time I rang. So I drove there one morning, only to sadly see it closed down and deserted.

After making enquiries, I read and heard all sorts, he wasn’t a real Makita dealer, yet all my tools were registered with Makita, stating him as the supplier. I also heard he was a legitimate dealer but was selling at below RRP. I questioned Makita about the business, they said he was legitimate, and had nothing but nice comments about him.

I finally read, that he had three customers go in and try and rob him. He struck me as somebody that might get volatile if goaded or threatened.
Anyway, talking of dogs, he had a very large dog at his side when upstairs.
The story goes, he and his loyal dog, gave these chaps the beating of their lives, and two of them went into ICU at the hospital.

He was apparently tried, and despite witnesses was found guilty of attempted murder! The thieves apparently got witnesses to say under oath that they were merely shopping and he, his assistant and the dog started on them.

They were apparently travellers (people who claim to be gypsies) though in reality are often no good types travelling through, causing havoc.

Some say the story is true, some say he retired and emigrated? It does seem though
that I got amazing legitimate deals.
I have another supplier now, although I get discount, it’s nothing like the previous chap gave.

 
 
[member=69479]Jiggy Joiner[/member] I got somestories about travellers cant post them here though
 
I guess you know the kind I’m referring too Ron, and I would guess you almost certainly saw examples of them in the UK. Not my favourite people, for good reason.
I do actually know a few Romany Gypsies though, and I would trust them unconditionally.

It’s a shame true Gypsies and “travellers” are seen as one and the same.
 
This may be old news.  It was new to me.  Yesterday, I stopped by my local Rockler for a pickup and noticed they are now selling Festool.  Happy Discovery!

Moderator note > merged from another topic.
 
Jiggy Joiner said:
I guess you know the kind I’m referring too Ron, and I would guess you almost certainly saw examples of them in the UK. Not my favourite people, for good reason.
I do actually know a few Romany Gypsies though, and I would trust them unconditionally.

It’s a shame true Gypsies and “travellers” are seen as one and the same.

[member=69479]Jiggy Joiner[/member]
Thats true they are. I learned about them from a mate who is a true cockney and now lives in Wisbech. He puts them all in the same pot.
 
I have both a Rockler and a Woodcraft by me.  I hit up Rockler when I want something like shop supplies, I hit up Woodcraft when I want something a little higher end or need to ask the guy some questions or if I need more Old Brown Glue because my Rockler doesn't carry it  :'(  Their staff just seems to be more well seasoned and knowledgeable.  I used to get my Festool from Wood World in Chicago because they always have almost everything on hand when I need it and they know their stuff when it comes to Festool (and have a huge Festool showroom), but I moved out of the area.
I wouldn't mind my local Rockler carrying Festool out of convenience (as it is closer to me than the Woodcraft) because I don't need their "expertise" for anything.  I pretty much know what I'm doing when it comes to Festool (not to come across as a know-it-all, not my intention).
 
Based on this morning's email, it seems that the Rockler Festool offerings will be online only. Whether they will have demonstrator tools in the store, and some consumables, is yet to be seen.

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Absolutely surprised by how many days this thread has been active! I have been underwhelmed the few times I have stopped in to Rockler and find them kind of gimmicky. For bigger tool purchases, knowing that most prices are locked in, I typically order online from authorized smaller (non-chain) out-of-state shops. At end of day, most of us are educated and informed shoppers, and it is a waste of time to physically shop and check out equipment (plus you will be disappointed because they will not offer a great selection of goods or they need to special order). Online is much easier/faster, greater selection offered, and most shops offer free shipping. In addition, some do not collect sales tax for out of state purchases (so you save a little there). When I do need something quick, I typically head to a locally owned shop to support local small business. Here in San Diego, I’m a big fan of TH&H. In a pinch, they do carry some Festool, Woodpecker, and other top brands if I need something immediately (e.g., vacuum bags, router bit, etc.) and they carry a great selection of hardware, slides, hinges, poly, edge banding, etc. They also have a great selection of quality hardwoods and plywood and only charge $35 to deliver to your house.
 
Living in Southern California (LA-OC) I have a lot of local options (some were mentioned) with Rockler the closest to home.  Woodcraft, Austin Hardwoods, Ganahl Lumber (now also close to home) and my favorite, Eagle Tools (Jesse the owner is the best!).

I have seen Rockler and Woodcraft stores change locations and personnel.  I think a lot has to do with who is working at a particular store.  There was a guy, if I recall his name was Guy, who worked at a few different Rockler stores over the years.  He was very helpful, and so for that, I liked to give him my business.  I do not think he is around any more.  I find those who work at my local Woodcraft to be very nice and helpful, and the current Rockler employees not so knowledgeable. 

I think what is nice about these stores is that if I need something like a Whitesides router bit (at Woodcraft) and want to use it that day, I can get it.  If I want a jig for plantation shutters or a Kreg bandsaw fence as a replacement for my current fence, I can go to Rockler and see it in person to decide if that is for me, and if yes, take it home.  For other things, online is very convenient and I have been getting more things online over the past 1-2 years.

I think all of these options are nice to have.  As for Festool Purchase, I like going to my local store (Eagle-Tools) or Woodcraft.  Same price as online, but by building a relationship, that has benefits and supports my local stores as I want them to stay in business.  For example, I had a Carter fence with mag switches from Woodcraft.  I purchased it some time ago planning to use it some day, but went to use it recently and it was not square and was not adjustable.  I found out that this was a known problem and Carter now makes a version 2.  Woodcraft exchanged it for me, even though I owned it for a very long time.  I do not think they were obligated to do that, but I will remember that nice gesture.  Perhaps my reward for being a loyal customer.
 
[member=71926]martin felder[/member]

The OC Woodcraft owners are very nice and give great service. They have a nice FT display. They also have a nice stock of FT. The owner and some employees have been to FT dealer training and are knowledgable about the tools.

Klaus the FT rep is a very nice guy and will help you with anything he can.

Woodcraft lets dogs in the store. My sweetie loved going there.
 
atogrf1 said:
I have both a Rockler and a Woodcraft by me.  I hit up Rockler when I want something like shop supplies, I hit up Woodcraft when I want something a little higher end or need to ask the guy some questions or if I need more Old Brown Glue because my Rockler doesn't carry it  :'(  Their staff just seems to be more well seasoned and knowledgeable.  I used to get my Festool from Wood World in Chicago because they always have almost everything on hand when I need it and they know their stuff when it comes to Festool (and have a huge Festool showroom), but I moved out of the area.
I wouldn't mind my local Rockler carrying Festool out of convenience (as it is closer to me than the Woodcraft) because I don't need their "expertise" for anything.  I pretty much know what I'm doing when it comes to Festool (not to come across as a know-it-all, not my intention).

That newer Bolingbrook store strikes me as a bit more “serious” than their Schaumburg location.
 
Berland’s used to have one of those “store-in-a-store” Rockler locations but, coincidentally, the ever expanding Festool department consumed it. 

When I had my hobby shop, I was using some of the “Dust Right” accessories and Rockler does have prices on Bessey clamps that are hard to ignore.  At the time, I was visiting Woodcraft about once a week.  Whenever I needed to go to Rockler, I’d tell the Woodcraft staff and their eyes would light up, anxiously awaiting the forthcoming juicy tale of “I can’t make this stuff up”.  😂

 
I believe they are all owned by the same people.  There are 3 of them now, I believe.  Schaumburg, Orland Park, and Bolingbrook.
I love going into Berland's, but that is just dangerous for my wallet.
 
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