Screw fix (uk)

It is interesting times, I agree Screwfix have their place and have done an amazing job of getting to where and what they are today, I don’t think we can argue against that by any means.

I am of course going to be slightly biased and wary of them taking on Festool for obvious reasons, my opinion is also going to be from our company’s point of view rather than so much an end-user, although I do believe they overlap massively.

There are some very large dealers out there, including us that have taken the Festool brand to the next level of availability in the UK, I personally have hand chosen every SKU that we stock on the shelf here (around 1350 currently) so that customers can have their strange backing pad or Titan sandpaper delivered next day to keep them working as Festool do not hold UK stock. This takes a massive amount of product knowledge and awareness about what’s needed and what works with what, not just which product has the most profit in it. Also a very hefty financial investment is involved which is why we are one of, if not `THE` top UK dealer.

The current price points of a lot of the products has also made a massive difference to where Festool is today within the UK, and their growth curve. Let’s face it would you pay £526 for a TS55? And who has swallowed this price drop over the years? Us dealers, not Festool UK.

I really don’t feel Screwfix are going to be able to put that kind of time and effort into a very specific and at times complicated range of accessories to be able to class Festool as a `System` which is what it deserves to be called. This along with the product knowledge we have in house here is far beyond anything you are likely to find in the UK when it comes to buying a Festool product. We now have live chat on our website which is manned either personally by myself or my brother for direct customer help about Festool, how can Screwfix offer that kind of customer experience? The experience Festool aim for and promote?

They can’t, so what can they offer? Well customer awareness, and that’s what Festool are aiming at by bringing them on board, one single reason. As Screwfix like we all know are box shifters (very good ones at that) and Festool are losing their small dealers.

This in-itself I do believe is a good thing, as the brand does need more promoting and customer awareness of how good it is.

Within the big boy powertool market it is a small fish, but at what cost? It’s very apparent after only a few days of them having the brand that they have favourable rates and can offer certain products cheaper to end users. Again this is wonderful to the person who wants to save a few quid, and don’t we all? It’s no secret our company has grown on selling at low margins and maximising buying potential that is available to all dealers, as much as any of the big players, but that’s where similarities end, we offer the full package when it comes to Festool, and do not get any special terms.

I have been informed Screwfix are not supporting the Festool vouchers that are being sent out to end users directly by Festool UK at the moment, to me that is not helping the loyal customer or being a true dealer.

The issue I see is what happens if the top 30 SKU`s are reduced online to a rate that no other dealer can compete with due to these special rates? These top SKU`s are needed to be sold to hit the huge yearly target Festool demand from their dealers, with this being an impossibility the current large dealers may decide to focus on other brands and slowly the strange backing pad or Titan sandpaper that was once next day is very hard to source as the Screwfix outfit does not involve itself with specials or even worse - parts of the Festool systems that make it such an amazing brand.

You have to ask yourself why have Festool allowed them currently to be able to market a TS55 without a rail? How does that give the end user the experience of what the brand is really about?!?

Festool is a premium brand - like Peroni beer and you don’t see that in Weatherspoon’s  [eek]

Food for thought, and as always only time will tell……

 
"You have to ask yourself why have Festool allowed them currently to be able to market a TS55 without a rail?"

Hear! Hear!

Festool has made some really bone headed decisions this past year.
 
Screwfix appear to have reduced their prices a little already. They are now almost exactly in line with Axminster pricing.
 
bobfog said:
Screwfix appear to have reduced their prices a little already. They are now almost exactly in line with Axminster pricing.

They might be using 'spy software' to bombard sites with price requests and do auto-updates on their own prices?
 
I was certainly defending screwfix a few post back, i think they're a great company. But i would never buy my festool from them unless it was an emergency. I desperately want to support our UK dealers as i know how important they are for us.

As previously mentioned, what the hell is going on with screwfix selling the TS55 without a rail??!!  I mean, have you ever tried to free hand the TS55, it's tricky at best. And certainly no demonstration of how great the saw actually is.
Are screwfix even selling festool Sandpaper for the sanders on offer?
 
This is nothing new, years ago I was looking to buy a headless pinner for a one off job in a hurry, Screwfix sold the Bostitch gun but not the pins, so they lost a sale that day as I guess they will if they can't supply basic equipment that is needed to use Festool power tools
 
mrB said:
I also have a question to all those who are bashing screwfix. . . where do you get your screws, glue, nuts, bolts, wall plugs, PZ2 bits, dust masks, fillers, SDS drill bits etc  . . cheaper and/or more conveniently?

For me mostly local builders merchants where I have good rates and discounts set up from repeat business.

Hafele also and using reps from other local suppliers.

This all gives me the best prices alongside dealing with reps who have great product knowledge and even bring me products to the workshop 🙂
 
Just seen a tweet by Leon Arther SE rep stating screwfix will honour the current vouchers
 


...and right under the photo it says "If you need any advice just call our dedicated team"

CT Midi, CT 26, TS 55R, HK55, HKC55, HK85, Carvex PSB,  Carvex PS, Kapex, OF 1400 and a Rotex 90.

That is absolutely everything that's in this 68 page catalogue, no rails for the saws and everything is the basic version.

A TS 55R without a guide rail is completely daft, I tried it once and it just seemed so very very wrong.
 

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I can't see the screwfix/Festool alliance lasting, I buy all mine from either Toolfest or Powertool supplies.... I like the level of service I receive, I won't buy Festool from screwfix.... and I'm one screwfix's biggest customers in Southampton. So far they have sold one jigsaw since launch in southampton  [eek]
 
toolfest.co.uk said:
I think prices have gone up a little at SF. Still very well priced though.
Did you see the of1400 going for £269 I think it was. That kicked up a fuss for a few days lol. Obviously it was an error but I heard of lots of people trying to buy one or ten lol

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"Festool is a premium brand - like Peroni beer"

Peroni beer is a premium brand?! You live and learn, I guess.....
 
tony_sheehan said:
"Festool is a premium brand - like Peroni beer"

Peroni beer is a premium brand?! You live and learn, I guess.....

No really... Peroni is brilliant - but Festool is better  as you can still enjoy your purchase for years and years to come.

(When I buy Nastro Azzurro it only lasts a day or two !)

Peter
 
tony_sheehan said:
Peroni beer is a premium brand?! You live and learn, I guess.....
I was just as surprised to hear that it qualified as beer. Fails on both counts in my book!
 
I was told by 'a little bird" That the Money behind Screwfix really are hell bent on having as much "high street " footfall as possible. Gone are the days jo public regarded it as a "Trade" shop etc .I notice that the likes of "leylands" in London.Seem to have a "screwfix" opening very very close to most branches .This is a good thing for the public as "leylands" have always been rubbish and expensive .
Screwfix are now almost my 1-2 port of call for everyday items. What really makes them stand out is their automatic email receipt system and how they deal with tool returns .I for one cannot understand how they can just "swap" a tool over right there and then. I have even seen staff tell the customers to get the box ,charger and batteries as well. so they CAN ALL BE REPLACED ! so after a year etc you end up with a whole new kit etc. How they deal with the suppliers over this , i have no idea ! But i bet it is been abused ......
It seems serial numbers are not always checked .

It must come down to the "rebate" suppliers give retailers etc at the end of the year. They must be making almost pennies on some of the stuff .Dangerous game for some, but i think they must know what they are doing ?

Could it be possible that Festool plans a more "consumer" range ? to lower quality and price and just trade on their "name". They would not be the first or last !!

FFX and Axminsters are my favourite online retailers. They are amazing to deal with .
 
There is a huge difference between the way that Screwfix and Axminster deal with their suppliers.

If you are a supplier then go to Axminster first. The two companies have different priorities and targets. One is a family owned business and the other is just one part of a far bigger organisation.

I will say no more.

Peter
 
The only reason Festool have gone into screwfix is to get their name out to a wider audience, think of how many thousands of screwfix catalogues are out there.

I'm sure a lot of existing Festool dealers won't be happy but Festool must think it's the best thing for them as a company.

Doug
 
Exactly Doug. So does this mean Festool could 'dilute" its ultra high end market cost and target audience? 
many other top end brands have done the same over the years .
 
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