Show your systainer

[gwendal]

Yes, with custom inlay top and bottom.

The bottom is custom - 3d printed - indeed, but the top is not: it is the regular systainer lid foam insert part #81200230.

 

[six-point socket II]

What I’m interested in, because of honest curiosity, how does printing those mats/liners and bins relate to time & money spent on consumables and initial investment for the printer vs. buying a couple of the needed clear lid SYS3 organizers/ Systainers?

My guess is, large items like the mats are not printed on small/cheap printers and take a significant amount of time and “waste”  to get right?

Does this make economical sense?

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[gwendal]

Does this make economical sense?

Let's take a simple example of 50x50 SYS3 ORG box: from Festool, 10 pieces cost 18$, ~$2 each including tax and shipping.
A similar 3d print (25x75mm) box - same amount of walls, smaller base - is printed in ~3h and needs 27.33g of filament. That exact same part can be bought from a 3d print shop for ~$3. Assuming

• 100W power usage, at 0.37c/KWh,
  
• using $33/Kg filament,
  
• Ignoring 3D printer depreciation and maintenance cost since we can assume the printer has been acquired for other projects,
• Ignoring the design, calibration, setup and cleanup time because it is a hobby,

The cost of material for 3d-printing a such a box at home is ~$1:

3*0.37/10 + 33*27.33/1000 = 0.111 + 0.9009 = 1.0119

My guess is, large items like the mats are not printed on small/cheap printers and take a significant amount of time and “waste”  to get right?

Looking at the base from the picture, the part is printed in at least 2 pieces, which is customary, so it can be generated on a small printer.
A lot of systainer related parts have been designed in the last 2 years, so we now have all the initial blocks to assemble a solution that fit one's need with minimal waste.

[...]how does printing those mats/liners and bins relate to time & money spent on consumables and initial investment for the printer vs. buying a couple of the needed clear lid SYS3 organizers/ Systainers?

Similar to woodworking, if the part is already mass-produced, it is most likely not economical to 3d print it in a garage. However, by having the exact boxes of different size or height we need, we can store more into each SYS3 ORG, requiring less systainers boxes and space. Reusing empty systainers is also a net gain.

Gwendal.

 

[Hawkeye0001]

What I’m interested in, because of honest curiosity, how does printing those mats/liners and bins relate to time & money spent on consumables and initial investment for the printer vs. buying a couple of the needed clear lid SYS3 organizers/ Systainers?

My guess is, large items like the mats are not printed on small/cheap printers and take a significant amount of time and “waste”  to get right?

Does this make economical sense?

I got into 3D printing last year and I wouldn't wanna be without it anymore, you suddenly see solutions everywhere instead of problems. I was worried about the expense but the power consumption is surprisingly little. The worst bit is the heating process which draws basically full power (some 250-300W for 3-5 minutes), after that you're in the range of running an old incandescent 40-60W lightbulb (material depending). You can even lower those figures by using an encased printer or building an enclosure (which is a hard requirement for some materials anyway).

The amount of filament used is also very little as most walls don't have to be solid (2 wall layers, the rest can often be done with 20% infill). For small items like e.g. smallish Sys Org insert boxes were talking 8-9 grams. I recently printed a plug it conversion for my Makita biscuit jointer which is basically a replacement of the entire rear body and it came out at some 120g material and 14hrs @ 60W, i.e. approximately 3€ for PETG filament and roughly 0.30€ electricity. Apart from the fact that such a part would never be available from the manufacturer it is dirt cheap compared to what Makita would charge for it.

As far as printers go: your run-of-the-mill Ender 3 S1 Pro can be had for under 170€ on sale these days, that's negligible when compared to what we spend on the 'black and green' around here  [big grin]

The beauty of it is that you can casually build helpers / tools / jigs / tool improvements / 'general things' (many of which are non-existant on the free market) on a whim on a Saturday night ready to use on Monday morning. I was hesitant at first but I would hands down recommend it to any woodworker nowadays.
You don't even have to do a deep dive into CAD software, you'll be amazed just how many useful things have already been designed  by people for free if you just search Printables or Thingyverse for the term "Festool".

 

[six-point socket II]

[member=69258]gwendal[/member] Thank you for the in-depth explanation and taking the extra time to link to all the corresponding parts. Initially I did not think that you could get down to approx. 1$/bin, even given the exclusions. Thats cool!

[member=68534]Hawkeye0001[/member] Thank you for sharing your personal story of 3D printing!

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Coen]

The unspoken part is that the 3D printed bins are nowhere near as strong as the injection molded ones that Festool sells. Or as smooth.

Yes, with custom inlay top and bottom.

The bottom is custom - 3d printed - indeed, but the top is not: it is the regular systainer lid foam insert part #81200230.

Yes but it's missing from carlitoa's pic. Usually people don't have Systainers left over with that lid insert. So it adds to the cost.

 

[pascalpetti]

3D printed the base as inserts for my Ikea drawers[attachimg=1]

 

[Triplepin]

Finally got around to measuring out my stanley's and laser cutting a foam insert for 'em. Also made an insert for bench dogs + dash board setup blocks.

Re: Discussion around 3D printing above: give me a shout if anyone needs something basic modeled that would help them in the shop. Functional tool accessories are super fun to work on and print. I have a few dozen in my shop I use every time I look to build something new.

 

[kevin clifford]

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This is the sysroll setup I take for most installs. Keeps everything pretty handy. DeWalt cordless 12v stuff has been working well for me for years in the shop and I added the drill with multiple heads a year or so ago.  One jigsaw is dedicated for coping. The tiny sawzall is not used that much but every now and then I am glad to have it. The level not fitting into the tote handle is unfortunate, really would be perfect in there.

 

[timwors]

That's a really neat set up. You get a lot of tools into a compact space, with accessories/bits/blades all accessible.

I've adopted the Dewalt cordless range for my hand tools (18V as I also use the batteries in garden tools). They are pretty good and somehow I don't mind it too much if they get a bit bashed during use. Festool for the corded expensive tools that I treat with more care!

 

[HighlandMarine]

Finally got around to measuring out my stanley's and laser cutting a foam insert for 'em. Also made an insert for bench dogs + dash board setup blocks.

Re: Discussion around 3D printing above: give me a shout if anyone needs something basic modeled that would help them in the shop. Functional tool accessories are super fun to work on and print. I have a few dozen in my shop I use every time I look to build something new.

The Shaper tape and accessory holder looks awesome, and it looks like you may be dialed in for printing a Dashboard PWS mount for said accessories!

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I recently made good use of the Systainer USA sale and ordered a bunch of new Systainers, as well as new colored catches for existing Organizers to easily distinguish between different use cases.

This afternoon I updated the passenger side of my work van. I'm due for a full gut/rebuild soon, but in the mean time this should hold me over until I find time to breath.

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At present, I have my Systainers arranged as follows:
-- Festool tools and accessories in their original Systainers
-- Many other miscellaneous items in Festool Systainers
-- Other brands in their original Systainers (Mafell, Mirka, Makita, etc...)
-- Makita tools in Light Grey Systainers with Sky Blue handles and catches
-- Makita chargers and batteries in Sky Blue Systainers with White handles and catches (for fast/easy identification in a stack)
-- Orange catches for fasteners
-- Anthracite catches for hand tools
-- Signal Blue catches for miscellaneous power tools

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[luvmytoolz]

While not a Systainer I thought the original cases might be of interest, and I thought this the most suitable thread.

As some here may know, I started buying Festool (Festo) gear around 45 years ago and back then they came in metal cases with injection molded plastic inserts. Very surprisingly the foam liner hasn't disintegrated.

This one was bought around 1983 from memory, and was supplied with either the very first Rotex, the RS2E, or the OF900 router from memory. I now use it to store my pipe sander. Another one houses some of my grinders, and not sure where the 3rd one ended up.

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[Cheese]

I now use it to store my pipe sander. Another one houses some of my grinders, and not sure where the 3rd one ended up.

Is that a Fein RS 12?

 

[Imemiter]

My highly organized catch-all Systainer. It only comes out when a job is almost over.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Is that a Fein RS 12?

Sorry, somehow missed your question Cheese, no it's just an el cheapo from Ebay, I think I paid around $125AUD including a bunch of belts. Bit agricultural but does the job well. The main reason I got it was to de-bark tea tree branches I make into stuff for my missus's kinder.

 

[mcfal12]

I had some time today in between two quick jobs to do some organizing before I head back out for 6 to 8 week project next week. I posted how the Bosch 12v planer is one of my favorite tools- but without a doubt, my favorite tool is the Mafell KSS 40.

I did buy a smaller form factor Metabo battery to pair with it. love the CAS system and interoperability between the tool platforms and batteries.

 

[SoonerFan]

My highly organized catch-all Systainer. It only comes out when a job is almost over.

Lots of good stuff in there. I have a Sys Toolbox that has similar contents. Nice to have much of what is needed for the finishing touches in one place.

 

[Cheese]

Sorry, somehow missed your question Cheese, no it's just an el cheapo from Ebay, I think I paid around $125AUD including a bunch of belts. Bit agricultural but does the job well. The main reason I got it was to de-bark tea tree branches I make into stuff for my missus's kinder.

Thanks for getting back... ...Ya I was just curious because that Fein is expensive and unless polishing pipe is what you do for a living, it's probably outside most folks budget.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I had some time today in between two quick jobs to do some organizing before I head back out for 6 to 8 week project next week. I posted how the Bosch 12v planer is one of my favorite tools- but without a doubt, my favorite tool is the Mafell KSS 40.

I did buy a smaller form factor Metabo battery to pair with it. love the CAS system and interoperability between the tool platforms and batteries.

Ditto for both tools, but the KSS 40 is the best.
Lamello missed their chance to equal the KSS 40 while designing the cordless Zeta when they failed to orient the battery so that the tool could stand up right.