So what Festool do you >>NOT<< plan to buy (SACRILEGE.....)

[SittingElf]

You know, I make a lot of fun about my "addiction"...but there is actually solid reasons that I have been standardizing on Festool products.

My goal has been to set my shop up with tools and equipment that will last me the rest of my life without the need or desire to upgrade later...especially when I no longer have the income to do so.

I'm sure there are lots of really fine tools out there, and I've owned a number of them, but you can't put your DeWalt 18V drill battery into your Makita Jigsaw. If you have a power cord on your Porter Cable sander short out, you can't pull the one off of one of your Ryobi's to get back to work.

Having Containers (Systainers) that all lock together; are the same width and depth dimensions; and are designed from the ground up to match all the others for organization and efficiency is something you can't do if you have a large mix of various brands of tools. The fact that the Festool products are impeccably designed so well is clearly the major consideration, but in addition, the support services, standardization, and tools that are made to be part of a SYSTEM APPROACH is my particular reason for choosing Festool.

I feel exactly the same way about my photography, having completely standardized on Canon equipment.... and in the computer world, with Apple hardware, IOS, and OSX.

High prices...yes, but I don't ever expect to feel the need to later "Upgrade" any of the products that I've purchased to this point.

My other "Lifelong" tool purchases include products by Powermatic (Lathe), Sawstop (Tablesaw), Laguna (Italian Bandsaw), Hammer (Jointer/Planer), and Incra (Fences, router equipment, and unique jigs), Famag (Forstner bits), etc.... As far as I'm concerned, they are best in class for the particular products mentioned, and also equipment I expect to last the remainder of my days.

So.. I DO take offense to the idea that I have a "Screw Loose" because I am focused on buying virtually every Festool product that I even THINK I may use in the future. There is a method behind the madness. I can afford them now. Prices will continue to rise. My income has a finite end point. I will eventually not be able to justify the money to spend on luxuries and upgrades. And finally, I am setting myself up to completely enjoy my retirement when it comes, having already equipped my shop as completely as I can imagine the near perfect setup. Between deep sea fishing, photography, and woodworking...I expect to keep busy and happy. Fan items are just a lot of fun. Some people collect stamps, comics, dolls, old signs, etc.. I collect Festool Fan, NAINA, and limited release items. So what?

Cheers, and with all screws still firmly in place,

Frank

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[Kev]

What sort of people would you expect to find here? Ryobi enthusiasts?

I was very happy with my BT3K...

I think everyone has their pearls and lemons - no matter where they are in the food chain.

In Oz Ryobi once had a reasonable reputation, but now (like so many brands) it's become a brand logo attached to the cheapest Chinese junk tools and sold through bulk retailers.

Wasn't familiar so had a hunt ... that saw has it's own forum!!

 

[Slartibartfass]

Again nothing wrong with a tool addiction (there are certainly worse ones) and admitting it is the first step to salvation......

I am certainly addicted....

 

[Kev]

Between deep sea fishing, photography, and woodworking...

HAH [big grin]

I got bit by the sports fishing bug - thought it'd be a great way to engage the family. I spent a boat load of money (literally) only to find out that my wife a kids turn green in the slightest ocean swell and I'm the only family member immune to sea sickness [sad]

I felt guilty spending a lot of time away from the family and sold the boat and most of the mountain of gear ... very sad and costly.

These days I chase fish in "intimate mode", free diving with a spear gun ... not quite the same as fighting a big tuna, but still a rush.

 

[Bigchasbroon]

I don't plan on buying sysports  the cms system or the  boom arm.

There is a premium for festool but for us in Europe with the lack of price fixing the price of say a carvex is not that much more than a decent bosch or whatever.

The most difficult purchase was a MFT. It's such a lot of money for a work table but now that I have it It's great and I'm glad I bought it. It's still too expensive for its component parts but for what it allows me to do its worth it.

As for the drills I've got 2 and a dwc 4500 they're good the PDC has 50% more torque than my brothers 18v dewalt li ion and he puts his battery on charge twice as much as mine.

 

[VW mick]

I think at the moment there is loads of festool stuff I don't want or need

But once I've got all I want .I'm shure there will be more I need

 

[amt]

I am surprised at the number of people that knock the cost of the Festool drills without acknowledging their real value. It's not all about Centrotec ... the real value is in the interchangeable chucks!!!

Both Metabo and Fein have interchangeable chucks, however I am not sure if they have a right angle chuck.  They appear to be in the $440 range (the Fein ASCM 18 QX and Metabo BS 18LTX QUICK), a bit lower than the T18.  However, I really think comparing those 2 drills to the T18 is not a proper comparison.  Based on their specs & features, they sure seem like very close siblings of the PDC 18/4.  I wonder what the PDC 18/4 will go for i the USA if it ever makes it over here.  It really makes me wonder if the internals for these 3 drills are basically the same.  And if so, why does Fein and Metabo have these available in the USA already while Festool does not.

 

[GhostFist]

As I said, if Fein had a right angle chuck I would switch instantly just because of centrotec.

 

[morts10n]

So many comments here from those that would never buy a Festool drill.

I've always had the best drills  that I could find. Bosch 15 yrs ago, then Panasonic. I splurged on  a T15 set a couple of yrs ago because they were so much lighter and to use for special situations, and after a month of heavy use I bought another one (basic). Best cash I ever spent! Nothing  better out there when it comes to versatility. Eccentric and right angle chucks make a BIG difference in installation work. No more struggling. I have only purchased a handful of centrotec bits because I had so many others, but recently bought a few more and find myself wanting to only use centrotec now. The attic lids are where I keep everything organized now, so there is one less sortainer to carry around. I could go on and on...

Don't fool yourself if you think the price is too high... remember: when you buy expensive tools, you only cry once!!

 

[Wooden Skye]

I have a couple of items on my wish list, but I don't think I will get the CMS.  I like the CXS and have other drills, but for most tasks I prefer the CXS.  Until the drill I want crosses the pond, the C15 will stay on the wish list.

 

[ScotF]

As I said, if Fein had a right angle chuck I would switch instantly just because of centrotec.

I thought I had read somewhere that Fein was going to have a right angle for it at some point...maybe not. That drill does look impressive, though.

 

[amt]

It looks like the Metabo does have a right angle attachment.  Not sure if the Fein is better in other respects.  IMO, they seem to be incredibly similar with the exception of of the chuck accessories.

 

[wow]

It looks like the Metabo does have a right angle attachment.  Not sure if the Fein is better in other respects.  IMO, they seem to be incredibly similar with the exception of of the chuck accessories.

I read somewhere that Metabo has introduced a 36 Volt line for angle grinders and other high-power-requirement tools. I will be interested to see what that leads to...

 

[Stephen B]

It looks like the Metabo does have a right angle attachment.  Not sure if the Fein is better in other respects.  IMO, they seem to be incredibly similar with the exception of of the chuck accessories.

I read somewhere that Metabo has introduced a 36 Volt line for angle grinders and other high-power-requirement tools. I will be interested to see what that leads to...

Maybe this -
http://www.sydneytools.com.au/products/17139-metabo-bha-36-ltx-metabo-36v-cordless-rotary-hammer-set-nbspbha-36-ltx-compact-kit

 

[VW mick]

Will definatly be going for festool drills 18v and corded

But first is going to be a kapex .then over the next year will be changing over all my drills and getting into centrotec

Oh and in between that .want to swap over my Ts55/trion jigsaw/and 850 planer .to the new models

Sorry I know that's not exactly a list of don't want I won't but can only think of what I will buy at the moment

P.s looks like first first a ETS 125 is on the way

P.p.s  in between .in between all that think the 18v line will expand

 

[VW mick]

P.p.p.s forgot in between in between in between all that a 2700 rail and lR 32 system too

 

[VW mick]

P.p.p.p.s

I've a hankering towards woodpecker/incra/L.N a drill press and a router table

Sorry I will stop now

 

[Slartibartfass]

So it's the Green, Red, Red/Gold madness.....

 

[charley1968]

Wouldn't buy their high-powered drills, 'cuz they're expensive. Wouldn't buy their battery-driven track-saw, 'cuz i have a battery-driven circular saw.
Will probably not buy of their specialised tool segment (concrete router,PLANEX etc.),'cuz i don't have that kind of money.

 

[Hawkeye1434]

I also have a really hard time with their drills being as high-priced as they are I love my Dewalt lithium ions I own four of those and a right angle drill and the DEWALT oscillating multi tool.  I love the MFT tables but I cannot stand how wobbly the router table is even if you put crossmembers on it for the kind of precision that I want I don't want to touch the table and have it be wobbly maybe it's just the one of my dealers got but I don't like it.  Personally I also like my DEWALT 12 inch sliding compound miter saw it was only 600 bucks with the new stands that they have it rollaround I don't know why I want to spend twice that for the kapex actually 3 to 4 times that the kapex version is not that much better.