Splinter guard

[sac3848]

Just purchased a new guide rail withTs 55 and noticed the new clear plastic splinter guard was peeling off at the ends. Talked to my local woodcraft dealer who cheerfully replaced it I removed the old one and cleaned the rail with acetone and installed the new one. It is also beginning to peel at the ends. So I stick it down and return later and it has peeled again,maybe 2 or so inches. Not a major problem but annoying. Yes it's summer and I live in Fl where it's hot and humid,but my old guide rails and splinter guards are just fine Any thoughts?

 

[Corwin]

Here's a thread on this very topic:  Splinter Guards Coming Unglued

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear you're having issues with the splinterguard. Please don't take this as a criticism, but a recommendation/question. Are you applying firm pressure along the entire length of the rail using something like a roller? If so, and you're still having problems, please give us a call tomorrow or send me an email with your contact information and a good time to call and I'll have someone get in touch with you and get this remedied to your satisfaction.

Some forum members have recommended using spray adhesive for ornery splinterguards in conditions where they don't stick well.

Thanks,
Shane Holland
Festool USA

 

[semenza]

Hi sac3848,

Welcome to the FOG!  [smile]

I have new clear replacement strips but have not installed them yet so I can't offer any help. But I will be watching this thread to see the outcome.

Seth

 

[sac3848]

Thank you for your replies and esp the  link to the previous thread. It's obvious festool has a problem with their adhesive. Appreciate the tips,but it would be nice if they admitted there was a problem and offered us a Quick fix. Not a big deal,just an inconveince

 

[ccarrolladams]

Thank you for your replies and esp the  link to the previous thread. It's obvious Festool has a problem with their adhesive. Appreciate the tips,but it would be nice if they admitted there was a problem and offered us a Quick fix. Not a big deal,just an inconveince

With all due respect, I do not believe Festool has an adhesive problem.

First of all I have one 1400mm guide rail I purchased in January 2006 which still has its original splinter guard, so that adhesive has stood up well with lots of use over five and a half years.

Second, I have replaced many splinter guards since the switch to clear. Chances are that I own and use as many or more guide rails as anyone.

Festool apparently assumes end users applying new splinter guards understand the basic principles of adhesives bonding plastic to aluminum. Maybe their assumption was the mistake.

After I remove the old splinter guard, I make sure all residual adhesive is also removed. Then the area is cleaned with MEK. I start at one end of the rail and use a J roller as I go along to adhere the new splinter guard. So far I have suffered no de-laminations. None of the numerous new rails I have purchased with the clear splinter guards had "floppy ends" but it well could be that my dealer inspected those carefully.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

My clear one's finally fell off this summer.

I usually leave them in my trailer and one day I grabbed one, tossed it on my cut lines and then realized the splinter strip was not there.

I put it back on with some spray adhesive.

I do find it kind of funny since most were bitching about how hard the old black one's were to take off and hard to see your marks.

they come up with something different for us, that we wanted, and there is still pissing and moaning about it.

It's like buying your old lady purse and then her complaining you didn't get her matching shoes.

 

[Sparktrician]

I seem to recall a comment somewhere about using double-sided carpet tape to put the splinter guard back on.  Mine haven't even begun to fall off my 3 rails yet, but I do have some left-over carpet tape, just in case.  Spray adhesive just seems to go everywhere I didn't intend it to go. 

[smile]

 

[jmbfestool]

Its  dead simple dont buy the festool clear strip crap!     It is total crap    their is no human error in applying like Shane and Ccarrolladams are trying to suggest because no mater how well you apply it its peels away.   If it was human error then Festool must be doing it wrong also as like what happened with yours it did with mine a BRAND new rail with the clear strip already applied by FESTOOL started to peel away not long after having the rail.   So if festool can not apply the strip correctly on a new rail then who can?   So clearly its not how its applied its just plain and simple CRAP.    

Any way I cant believe its being suggested are you applying the clear strip correctly!   Its a brand new rail you should not be putting a new strip on it yet any way its NEW NEW NEW it has nothing to do with how sac3848 applied the NEW  SECOND yes read it SECOND clear strip on a NEW yes NEW rail!  non if this crap should of even come up in this topic!  Its bloody ridiculous!

I just don't understand why they didn't just leave it black OR OR just made it clear but kept the material the same and adhesive like the black one.

My mate has 2 rails which came with clear strips and yes oh yes! BOTH the ends have come up!  I have a new clear on my rail as I decided to change my black one as it wasn't inline with the blade any more I cleaned it cleaned it was so clean it could of been used in a surgical room as a tray!  So now I have two rails one which was NEW with clear peeling away and 1 which I applied my self after removing the old black peeling away!  Great! 

My  [2cents]

 

[jmbfestool]

My clear one's finally fell off this summer.

I usually leave them in my trailer and one day I grabbed one, tossed it on my cut lines and then realized the splinter strip was not there.

I put it back on with some spray adhesive.

I do find it kind of funny since most were  about how hard the old black one's were to take off and hard to see your marks.

they come up with something different for us, that we wanted, and there is still pissing and moaning about it.

It's like buying your old lady purse and then her complaining you didn't get her matching shoes.

I never moaned about the black!  I like the black didnt have a problem with it!     but I do think the clear is a good idea I just wish they kept the adhesive and material the same as the black!   The clear is far harder then the black the black was more rubbery   what benefit is their to have it harder?

JMB

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Look, I know a lot of people are ticked off about this, and I've said this before.  Festool took user feedback in making the change over to the clear strips and in trying to get the adhesive just right to make the strips easier to change, the formula was not perfect for most.  Too little adhesive can be just as much a problem as too much.  They know they're not going to make everyone happy, but they did change adhesives from the information that was given to me.  I don't know that you would be able to tell when this change took place other than putting it through normal use.  I can't confirm or deny any information Shane has given.  All I can tell you is the info I was verbally given at a higher level in the company.

 

[jmbfestool]

Look, I know a lot of people are ticked off about this, and I've said this before.  Festool took user feedback in making the change over to the clear strips and in trying to get the adhesive just right to make the strips easier to change, the formula was not perfect for most.  Too little adhesive can be just as much a problem as too much.  They know they're not going to make everyone happy, but they did change adhesives from the information that was given to me.  I don't know that you would be able to tell when this change took place other than putting it through normal use.  I can't confirm or deny any information Shane has given.  All I can tell you is the info I was verbally given at a higher level in the company.

YEah but curtain people  moan about anything!  Them people festool should not listen to!  Im afraid with the adhesive they listened to the wrong sort of people idiots?  The clear idea is fine im okay with that!    I much rather it be more difficult to remove than it remove its self!    Come on the black aint that hard to remove people! I just sat down started cleaning the black strip of didnt take long! Its a METAL rail its not that hard to clean! 

People who moaned about it being to sticky grow up you have ruined it for people who didnt CARE!!  Now it falls of I do care! As its annoying! Every time I slide it into my guide rail bag it catches and pulls its self of even more! So Annoying! 

Im not buying it any more thats me protesting!

 

[peter halle]

I guess I was one of the idiots who had problems with the black strips.  My problems were that the adhesive separated from the black strip.  Getting it off the rails was acetone / lacquer thinner and razor blades.  I also had replacement black strips where the adhesive dried up before use.

I have had fewer issues with the clear strips whether they were replacement rolls or on new rails.  Carroll was right (in my opinion and experience) that you need to use more than just finger pressure to force them in place when applying.  I also clamp the freshly installed ends over night before use.

I don't make a big deal about the strips because I consider them consumables and I transport them daily.  They are subjected to temperature and humidity changes, bumping abuse, and also general usage.

Just my experiences.

Peter

 

[tiralie]

Now it falls of I do care! As its annoying! Every time I slide it into my guide rail bag it catches and pulls its self of even more! So Annoying! 

Don't put it in the guide rail bag then...seriously, have you tried reattaching it with some transfer tape

 

[jmbfestool]

Now it falls of I do care! As its annoying! Every time I slide it into my guide rail bag it catches and pulls its self of even more! So Annoying! 

Don't put it in the guide rail bag then...seriously, have you tried reattaching it with some transfer tape

No  lol!  I have thrown a wobbly and refuse to fix festools problem my self! Instead ill buy an alternative which works instead of me needing to go out spend more money to fix the problem.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Now it falls of I do care! As its annoying! Every time I slide it into my guide rail bag it catches and pulls its self of even more! So Annoying! 

Don't put it in the guide rail bag then...seriously, have you tried reattaching it with some transfer tape

No  lol!  I have thrown a wobbly and refuse to fix festools problem my self! Instead ill buy an alternative which works instead of me needing to go out spend more money to fix the problem.

You mean the ones Mafell uses?

 

[woodguy7]

Am I right in saying the Maketa rails work on the TS ?  Much better strips on them.  I too hate the new strips, I bought a box with the new tape as JMB did & replaced my old rails.  Wish I never bothered, the clear glue IS crap.

With regard to not putting the rails in the bag !!!  Festool sell a bag for putting rails in & like everything Festool it is not cheap so JMB should be able to put them in it.  Festool need to admit this & offer replacements.

If Honda sold a car with defective window seals, they would re-call all the faulty models & fix it.  Festool bury their heads & say there is no problem.  I think 95% of people on here would agree there is a problem but I bet they won't all come on here & admit it.

Credit where credit is due but the same when it goes the other way !

 

[Deansocial]

the clear ones are made to new EU regs that state they mush be rubbish

 

[Alan m]

my 3 rails have the clear strip.from day one there were loose. i havnt used the black strip but i am not happy with the quality of the adhesive that holds the clear ones on.
maybe someone sould start a poll to see.

dean thats so stupid it must be true.

 

[Deansocial]

EU regs state that EU regs must be stupid, oh damn im speaking politics again