T18+3 vs. Protool PDC/DRC 18-4 vs. ???....

First I don't have any experiences with other impact drills.
The TI15 is a bit heavy especially with all the chunks. Also compared to Panasonic, Makita and Bosch.

But it works where I bought it for: heavy Torx screws without using to much pressure and arm fatigue.
I also bought it because of using one battery charger and the same chunks for my 3 drills and of course the Centrotec shafts.

There is another thread about the TI15 which you probably already found on the FOG.
 
Hi Dogwood, don't worry, I will report back with experience from the field. Just don't hold your breath because this isn't getting any easier, because......

I went to a couple stores today to check out whatever they had. So I played with the Protool PDC, very cool but initial impression was that it is bulky compared to my C12. Now it isn't so bulky I cannot see it happening, I understand it is a very powerful machine, more powerful than the C12 (which feels like part of my hand after all those years using C models )and intended for rougher work and I think I can get used to it. Because it feels good too, it is a cool machine, nice balance and not as heavy as it looks. So I can def see myself getting that one just need to sniff it some more and I'll try to wait for the new model.

So than I looked for the impact model IWC. It was hard to miss, hanging on the wall there because it is HUGE!! It is a huge and heavy machine, when I said the PDC is bulky, this IWC feels way more bulky and just too heavy. I mean, consider it is made to screw a lot of screws for a living and most impact drivers are compact models, why is this so BIG? I've not held it next to the PDC but I'm sure when you but a centrotec on both the IWC is longer. In any case, this thing is not happening for me, I just don't understand it.

I quickly checked a Makita 18V (not too bad but not what I want right now) and Dewalt (done with Dewalt) and went next door to Hilti.

I can be brief here, my experience was the same as with Protool only revers and a bit more extreme. Their 22volt Impact is just the coolest impact I've ever seen or held, WOW! It is very compact and light despite the big 22volt 3Ah battery. I know this is the one, it's a no brainer.
Then their 22volt cordless drill, what can I say.... that thing is just silly huge. Using capitals isn't enough to try to tell how huge it is. If there had been a 22 volt cordless drill in 1990, this would have been it. For sure.

So to sum it up, I'm trying to justify buying the Hilti Impact with two batteries etc PLUS possibly the new Protool PDC also with two batteries etc because any other choice just doesn't seem to make sense now...  ???

Any brands I've not mentioned so far? I've checked Bosch, Makita, Dewalt, Fein, Festool, Protool, Metabo (only online though, think it is not for me but wouldn't mind checking those in the flesh), Hitachi and Panasonic (their 14,4 models are great but the others seem less so). What have I missed apart from brands only available in North America?

Cheers, Bob.
 
I have the Hilti SFH 22v combo drill... its hardly any bigger than, Dewalt, Panasonic etc...

John..
 
Bob Gerritsen said:
So than I looked for the impact model IWC. It was hard to miss, hanging on the wall there because it is HUGE!! It is a huge and heavy machine, when I said the PDC is bulky, this IWC feels way more bulky and just too heavy. I mean, consider it is made to screw a lot of screws for a living and most impact drivers are compact models, why is this so BIG? I've not held it next to the PDC but I'm sure when you but a centrotec on both the IWC is longer. In any case, this thing is not happening for me, I just don't understand it.

The IWC is not an impact driver, it's an impact WRENCH. That's something different. The hex slot on the shaft is only there for extra comfort since it fitted anyway. The main duty of the IWC is to drive bolts, not screws, like when you're building carcasses out of metal I-beams.  

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neth27 said:
I have the Hilti SFH 22v combo drill... its hardly any bigger than, Dewalt, Panasonic etc...

John..

Isn't it? Maybe you are right, I'm assuming there are quite a number of drills that I've only seen online only and not in real life. It just seemed so big next to it's brothers and sisters.

How do you like it?
 
Alex said:
Bob Gerritsen said:
So than I looked for the impact model IWC. It was hard to miss, hanging on the wall there because it is HUGE!! It is a huge and heavy machine, when I said the PDC is bulky, this IWC feels way more bulky and just too heavy. I mean, consider it is made to screw a lot of screws for a living and most impact drivers are compact models, why is this so BIG? I've not held it next to the PDC but I'm sure when you but a centrotec on both the IWC is longer. In any case, this thing is not happening for me, I just don't understand it.

The IWC is not an impact driver, it's an impact WRENCH. That's something different. The hex slot on the shaft is only there for extra comfort since it fitted anyway. The main duty of the IWC is to drive bolts, not screws, like when you're building carcasses out of metal I-beams.  

Thanks Alex, that makes sense. Not made for my line of work then, thought it was weird that it was so much longer but that explains it.

I've sent you a PM btw, what are your preferences?

Cheers, Bob.
 
Bob Gerritsen said:
neth27 said:
I have the Hilti SFH 22v combo drill... its hardly any bigger than, Dewalt, Panasonic etc...

John..

Isn't it? Maybe you are right, I'm assuming there are quite a number of drills that I've only seen online only and not in real life. It just seemed so big next to it's brothers and sisters.

How do you like it?

Its a great drill, very powerful.. It gets a good battering everyday and have never had any problems with it. The plumber i work with has one and he uses a whisk on it to mix buckets of plaster and floor tile adhesive with it  [big grin] [big grin]
 
Alright, that does sound powerful.  :) Maybe I should check it again, I really have my hart set on that SID, I could get the bare SFH body for relatively cheap to go with it, a lot cheaper than the Protool AND the SID...

Oh man.... I don't like choices. Unless they are already made, then they're fine I suppose.
 
I had the SFH 22, then added the bare sds, then the saw then the impact then got a couple more batteries...  [big grin]

John...
 
neth27 said:
I had the SFH 22, then added the bare sds, then the saw then the impact then got a couple more batteries...  [big grin]

John...
neth27 do you have the new 22v hilti sds , is it any good as im looking to get one and my local dealer is willing to upgrade to the 3 amp batteries for free. I have a makita 18v cordless that i use for mixing tile adhesive and diamond cores up to 2" no problem  [tongue]
 
Davej said:
neth27 said:
I had the SFH 22, then added the bare sds, then the saw then the impact then got a couple more batteries...  [big grin]

John...
neth27 do you have the new 22v hilti sds , is it any good as im looking to get one and my local dealer is willing to upgrade to the 3 amp batteries for free. I have a makita 18v cordless that i use for mixing tile adhesive and diamond cores up to 2" no problem  [tongue]

It works great but , i only really use it for wall plugs etc. One of the other lads uses 28mm bits in his.... (i thought they only came with the 3.3 ah batteries now? i thought the 2.6 ah batteries had been discontinued)

John..
 
neth27 said:
Davej said:
neth27 said:
I had the SFH 22, then added the bare sds, then the saw then the impact then got a couple more batteries...  [big grin]

John...
neth27 do you have the new 22v hilti sds , is it any good as im looking to get one and my local dealer is willing to upgrade to the 3 amp batteries for free. I have a makita 18v cordless that i use for mixing tile adhesive and diamond cores up to 2" no problem  [tongue]

It works great but , i only really use it for wall plugs etc. One of the other lads uses 28mm bits in his.... (i thought they only came with the 3.3 ah batteries now? i thought the 2.6 ah batteries had been discontinued)

John..

hi john is yours the te2-a22 li-ion drill as thats the one im looking at and it comes with 1.6 amp batteries as standard

 
Your getting the newest one.. I have the TE 4. Which comes with the 3.3ah batteries. What's the price difference between the T2 and T4? I'm at work so can't check
If its not much difference I would get the T4.
John
 
That's gone up in price  [eek]. I paid £149+ vat for the bare TE 4.. That was only about a year ago.

John..
 
Quick update, Alex has pointed me towards Panasonic. I've heard high praise for their 14,4 impact drill and driver and it turns out they have a 18v model that is light and compact too. Then they do combo packs that are pretty cheap compared to the Protool/Festool standard, only not with a hammer drill.... But I can get a hammer drill bare and match it to the impact driver and still pay a very decent price. Considering the quality of these tools and first hand reviews, it is getting really hard to justify getting the Protool and the Hilti for so much more money. I mean, I make furniture plus some light carpentry and just want a set to get me through 95% of the problems I encounter on site. Getting the Protool/Hilti will surely be overkill (not that that has stopped me before), I'm just trying to envision how happy I'll be with the Panasonics. Getting there! ;)

Is there, by any chance, anyone who has drilled 8mm (roughly 1/3 inch) holes in concrete with both an 18 v Panasonic and the Protool PDC?? The salesman claims I shouldn't expect much from the Panasonic in that regard, wondered if the Protool is better.

Cheers! Bob.
 
If you want to drill into concrete frequently you would be better of with a sds drill. I use the hilti combi drill for occasional 5-8 mm holes in brick or concrete. . If I had a lot to do I would get the sds out.. Non of the hammer drills are that great for going in to concrete, even the mains versions.

John..
 
Right, I understand, it's never many holes though. I'm guessing 2 to 4 for most jobs. The cordless drill will be one of the first machines I take out of the van anyway, it will get used for everything you normally use it for but it happens a lot I have to go back to the van to get the big SDS unit just for a couple holes. If I could do those couple holes with the cordless I would be saving quite some time and energy. Especially hauling everything back to the truck at the end of the day is a drag. So taking twice as long to drill a hole is time well spent if it saves me at least one trip back and forth to the van. If I have bigger or many holes to drill I'll always have the big drill in the van.

I just read a review in a Dutch mag where they compliment the Panasonic on it's drilling in concrete. They're mentioning 6 and 10 mm holes and it actually is faster with the latter. It gets a 95% rating overall. So I think my mind is almost made up! :))
 
I'd hope Panasonic make better drills than their other appliances. There was a time when their audio/video gear was reasonably good stuff - I'm not impressed these days. It's the little things too - remotes breaking and finding they're throw away and repurchase items ... I hate that !

Once a brand has let me down, I find it hard to touch anything with that brand again  [sad]
 
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