Cheese
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Cochese said:
Ok...now I got it [embarassed] [doh]
The 144 Workshop 2 - A New shop from scratch
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Ok...now I got it [embarassed] [doh]
Decent little update.
As much as I like my task light I won, I need permanent lighting. Went with 40w 5000K 4000lm lights off Amazon. Going to add one or two more banks when the ceiling goes in.
Just the two provides a ton of light.
Bought some insulation this morning, this should cover the entire first floor.
Fairly easy to put up with a sharp knife.
I didn't forget to protect my wires.
Left wall done.
Putting the wall panels up are much harder. Drilled into this outlet, plus electrocuted myself on another.
Took some effort to get the holes just right, but I like the result. Panel is a bit thinner than the OSB I have in the old shop though.
Tomorrow the goal is to have five more panels up. Rain is finally coming as well, so my roof will get another test.
As much as I like my task light I won, I need permanent lighting. Went with 40w 5000K 4000lm lights off Amazon. Going to add one or two more banks when the ceiling goes in.
Just the two provides a ton of light.
Bought some insulation this morning, this should cover the entire first floor.
Fairly easy to put up with a sharp knife.
I didn't forget to protect my wires.
Left wall done.
Putting the wall panels up are much harder. Drilled into this outlet, plus electrocuted myself on another.
Took some effort to get the holes just right, but I like the result. Panel is a bit thinner than the OSB I have in the old shop though.
Tomorrow the goal is to have five more panels up. Rain is finally coming as well, so my roof will get another test.
We got rain from Irma. We got rain from Nate today. In the four weeks in-between, nothing. So, I had both been looking forward and dreading today.
My roof still has a couple of minor leaks. Very minor, considering the amount of rain. A cup or small bucket would work until I get the shingles on. What was more concerning was rain coming through the door and through the windows.
I thought the flashing was bad over the windows, but it turns out it was because I hadn't installed a drip edge on the roof yet. I tried a temp solution, and it slowed it down a good bit. This is happening on both windows near the door. The door itself suffers from no overhang, and I hadn't installed a Z-channel yet. I did get that in while it was raining, but I need to install the siding above it and use a little bit of glue somewhere.
These are minor things, but need to be addressed before the next rain comes. I need to start bidding on the roof, see how much that is going to cost. One of the side effects of all this is my floor is a mess. I'll have to do some serious work on it to clear up the mud and dirt. Maybe I should have put down ram board or something. Maybe I still will.
The goal for today was to get up five panels. Accomplished. Plus some more cavities filled. No outlets were harmed in the making of these walls.
Oversize outlets because I can't measure.
Panel too short because I can't measure. This will be hidden by cabinets though.
Left wall.
Back wall.
Right wall.
Door wall.
My roof still has a couple of minor leaks. Very minor, considering the amount of rain. A cup or small bucket would work until I get the shingles on. What was more concerning was rain coming through the door and through the windows.
I thought the flashing was bad over the windows, but it turns out it was because I hadn't installed a drip edge on the roof yet. I tried a temp solution, and it slowed it down a good bit. This is happening on both windows near the door. The door itself suffers from no overhang, and I hadn't installed a Z-channel yet. I did get that in while it was raining, but I need to install the siding above it and use a little bit of glue somewhere.
These are minor things, but need to be addressed before the next rain comes. I need to start bidding on the roof, see how much that is going to cost. One of the side effects of all this is my floor is a mess. I'll have to do some serious work on it to clear up the mud and dirt. Maybe I should have put down ram board or something. Maybe I still will.
The goal for today was to get up five panels. Accomplished. Plus some more cavities filled. No outlets were harmed in the making of these walls.
Oversize outlets because I can't measure.
Panel too short because I can't measure. This will be hidden by cabinets though.
Left wall.
Back wall.
Right wall.
Door wall.
Cheese
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Cochese said:As much as I like my task light I won, I need permanent lighting. Went with 40w 5000K 4000lm lights off Amazon. Going to add one or two more banks when the ceiling goes in.
Just curious, do you think those LED's put out more light than standard fluorescent lights?
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I only have experience with sub-$40 twin lamp 4 ft fixtures, but the conventional T8 fixtures never seem as bright as the lumen ratings might suggest. And that's on day 1, the decay on fluorescents really kills their output over time. The HO (high output) fluorescents are considerable brighter initially, but suffer the same decay. I have a pair of 6 bulb T8 fluorescents in my garage that must have less than 5000 hours on them. These were Sylvania 5K tubes purchased. I would ballpark the light drop from new around 30-50%, it's that significant. In cold weather it's worse initially as the tubes need 5-10 mins to warm up before reaching full brightness.
Sam's club sells some Lights on America LED's which I've been using (about $30 ea.), which I love and would recommend (been using them for a year). If you have a low ceiling, don't commit to placement until you can experiment with spacing. The light throw is much more directional than a fluorescent. But the light that reaches your work surface is significantly brighter than the non-HO T8's right out of the box. Now that LED prices have come down, I won't be buying any more fluorescent fixtures.
I only have experience with sub-$40 twin lamp 4 ft fixtures, but the conventional T8 fixtures never seem as bright as the lumen ratings might suggest. And that's on day 1, the decay on fluorescents really kills their output over time. The HO (high output) fluorescents are considerable brighter initially, but suffer the same decay. I have a pair of 6 bulb T8 fluorescents in my garage that must have less than 5000 hours on them. These were Sylvania 5K tubes purchased. I would ballpark the light drop from new around 30-50%, it's that significant. In cold weather it's worse initially as the tubes need 5-10 mins to warm up before reaching full brightness.
Sam's club sells some Lights on America LED's which I've been using (about $30 ea.), which I love and would recommend (been using them for a year). If you have a low ceiling, don't commit to placement until you can experiment with spacing. The light throw is much more directional than a fluorescent. But the light that reaches your work surface is significantly brighter than the non-HO T8's right out of the box. Now that LED prices have come down, I won't be buying any more fluorescent fixtures.
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RKA said:
Thanks
for the feedback..I have several 8 ft T12’s and 4 ft T12’s that I’d like to convert to LED’s I was completely unaware that I was this far behind current fluorescent technology. It sounds like most of the T12 bulbs have been considered personna non grata by the feds.I’ll need to start the investigative process to figure things out...thanks again.
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I dumped all my cold start fluorescents and switches to LEDs last year.
Huge difference in the amount of light and I cut my electric use at the
same time. I got some fixtures from Lowes that are 3800 lumens each
and draw 48 watts. My old fixtures were 64 watts each.
Huge difference in the amount of light and I cut my electric use at the
same time. I got some fixtures from Lowes that are 3800 lumens each
and draw 48 watts. My old fixtures were 64 watts each.
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Great thread, I love your diligence. Similar projects take me several years to actually complete...
Just my 2 centavos on the lights - in my own small shop I grabbed (2) 24 by 48 LED panels from Global and they are incredible. Zero shadows in a 10' by 12' area.
Keep up the good work!
RMW
Just my 2 centavos on the lights - in my own small shop I grabbed (2) 24 by 48 LED panels from Global and they are incredible. Zero shadows in a 10' by 12' area.
Keep up the good work!
RMW
Thanks Richard.
Spoiler: the walls are pretty much done.
When I installed the last bit of insulation.
Down to the last two full panels.
All that's left to do. Rip down some of the scrap I have left over and pin it up.
I was ambitious and moved these myself. It was very interesting when the bandsaw fell on top of me. But look, I can plug into the wall like a normal person!
Little MFT clamp rack is the first thing up on the wall besides the electronics.
The jointer was fairly easy to bring over.
Current state of the old shop. May start bringing that left wall over next.
Spoiler: the walls are pretty much done.
When I installed the last bit of insulation.
Down to the last two full panels.
All that's left to do. Rip down some of the scrap I have left over and pin it up.
I was ambitious and moved these myself. It was very interesting when the bandsaw fell on top of me. But look, I can plug into the wall like a normal person!
Little MFT clamp rack is the first thing up on the wall besides the electronics.
The jointer was fairly easy to bring over.
Current state of the old shop. May start bringing that left wall over next.
Between yesterday and today the transition is pretty much done. Just sussing out details about where things will be and what storage I need to build based on the higher ceiling and different layout.
I wouldn't trade my little systainer storage for anything. But it's friggin heavy and needs to be rebuilt because I don't need that open space behind the closest drawer bank.
Had to get creative moving it over (everything moved over has been done completely by myself). Used the hand truck as a fake human and did a reverse wheelbarrow.
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This is what that cutout was hiding.
Next the planer and cart came over.
I was most worried about the workbench. I set up some scrap to drag it over.
Woodworking al fresco. Easy part is over, because I have no ramp on the new shop.
In its new layout. Finally have full access again, the old layout blocked the tail vise.
Table saw moved over. This wasn't too bad either.
Unfortunately the support brace on the saw is the exact height as the pork chop. Might have to build a base and drop it down an inch. This jointer takes up way too much room, it's not well designed.
After I moved the router table and miter saw over. The RT was a massive pain in the butt because of the independent wheels and sloping hill.
Plane till moved over, which I hope to replace with a full hand tool cabinet soon. Probably going with the Fine Woodworking design.
Lots of little things for awhile, probably not too exciting. May pick up my new dust extractor soon if I can find a coupon. Need to see if I have enough amps to run it.
I wouldn't trade my little systainer storage for anything. But it's friggin heavy and needs to be rebuilt because I don't need that open space behind the closest drawer bank.
Had to get creative moving it over (everything moved over has been done completely by myself). Used the hand truck as a fake human and did a reverse wheelbarrow.
[
This is what that cutout was hiding.
Next the planer and cart came over.
I was most worried about the workbench. I set up some scrap to drag it over.
Woodworking al fresco. Easy part is over, because I have no ramp on the new shop.
In its new layout. Finally have full access again, the old layout blocked the tail vise.
Table saw moved over. This wasn't too bad either.
Unfortunately the support brace on the saw is the exact height as the pork chop. Might have to build a base and drop it down an inch. This jointer takes up way too much room, it's not well designed.
After I moved the router table and miter saw over. The RT was a massive pain in the butt because of the independent wheels and sloping hill.
Plane till moved over, which I hope to replace with a full hand tool cabinet soon. Probably going with the Fine Woodworking design.
Lots of little things for awhile, probably not too exciting. May pick up my new dust extractor soon if I can find a coupon. Need to see if I have enough amps to run it.
I need to build the new clamp rack, bring those over, install the right side of the miter saw station and the air compressor. Otherwise, the shop is operational right now.
Some people may think having a TV and a computer in the shop is dumb, but it's important to me and they are in the best spot they've ever been.
For the first time in my life I was able to use a level to install something on a wall in the shop.
Hand tool corner is done until the cabinet is built.
Quite a bit of the design for the shop was based on this purchase. Been waiting five years.
Still have a gap in the attic (need to buy another full sheet of OSB), so I ran this temp expandable hose down for tool usage. Can reach anywhere in the shop.
Don't get anywhere near a plastic bag, hose connector, or anything less than about two pounds or you'll need to go upstairs and retrieve it. If you sucked up a screw, you'll hear it.
While I was testing the dust extraction I made a simple little shelf for my free Chromebox to sit on behind the monitor. Pocket screw installation.
Attic just not quite tall enough, but this will be fine for now. Will work on a custom mount including two stage separation later.
Full tour coming soon.
Some people may think having a TV and a computer in the shop is dumb, but it's important to me and they are in the best spot they've ever been.
For the first time in my life I was able to use a level to install something on a wall in the shop.
Hand tool corner is done until the cabinet is built.
Quite a bit of the design for the shop was based on this purchase. Been waiting five years.
Still have a gap in the attic (need to buy another full sheet of OSB), so I ran this temp expandable hose down for tool usage. Can reach anywhere in the shop.
Don't get anywhere near a plastic bag, hose connector, or anything less than about two pounds or you'll need to go upstairs and retrieve it. If you sucked up a screw, you'll hear it.
While I was testing the dust extraction I made a simple little shelf for my free Chromebox to sit on behind the monitor. Pocket screw installation.
Attic just not quite tall enough, but this will be fine for now. Will work on a custom mount including two stage separation later.
Full tour coming soon.
Cheese
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Looking good...impressed with the amount of light and the spread of the light from those LED's.
Just a thought...would substituting a paper element for the bag on the DC unit give you the headroom you need?
Just a thought...would substituting a paper element for the bag on the DC unit give you the headroom you need?
Cheese said:
That's the goal long-term. As for now it seems to expel all the air it needs to through the filter, so it shouldn't pose any harm. I plan on going with some sort of setup similar maybe to what Grey House Studio did with theirs. Have to see what I can do with the room I have, but I'll be sticking with 4" for everything, not 6" like they did. I just don't have the need. Or I may just buy a short Wynn filter that will fit the headroom.
It's such a huge upgrade as it is. It sucked up one of my 2.5" adapters, thankfully it got stuck right at the nozzle.
We're at the small updates stage, just getting things organized and into a semblance of their final positions.
My old clamp rack took up over five feet of linear wall space. This one less than three, and holds more.
Not going to bother installing the AC until spring, but this guy is already getting some work. Even with the ceiling and attic insulation to go, and the gap between the roof and wall to be addressed, this little guy warms things up quickly. Insulating the floor was a smart move.
Until I re-imagine the miter saw station and upper cabinets, this will do for storage.
Temp install of the air cleaner. Will move more toward the middle once I do a final decide on lighting amounts.
My old clamp rack took up over five feet of linear wall space. This one less than three, and holds more.
Not going to bother installing the AC until spring, but this guy is already getting some work. Even with the ceiling and attic insulation to go, and the gap between the roof and wall to be addressed, this little guy warms things up quickly. Insulating the floor was a smart move.
Until I re-imagine the miter saw station and upper cabinets, this will do for storage.
Temp install of the air cleaner. Will move more toward the middle once I do a final decide on lighting amounts.
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Cochese my brotha,
Just checked this thread out, man you did a heck of a job with that shop. I like using the T-111 panels for the interior walls.I was thinking of doing the same, I have a dumb question, why didnt you paint the panels white? I was going to inorder to brighten the shop up with the white walls being able to reflect the light and brighten it up.
I just found out about those LEDs replacing the Fluorescents. I found out about them on a recent trip to Oregon. I have enough light in my shop already but when I start replacing them Ill be definately going with the LEDs.
Well done mate very nice job [not worthy]
Just checked this thread out, man you did a heck of a job with that shop. I like using the T-111 panels for the interior walls.I was thinking of doing the same, I have a dumb question, why didnt you paint the panels white? I was going to inorder to brighten the shop up with the white walls being able to reflect the light and brighten it up.
I just found out about those LEDs replacing the Fluorescents. I found out about them on a recent trip to Oregon. I have enough light in my shop already but when I start replacing them Ill be definately going with the LEDs.
Well done mate very nice job [not worthy]
