The Big Three!

[joraft]

Well, John, you have me completely figured out, eh?  You have made a number of incorrect assumptions, but I have no desire to belabor the point.

Marc, if I have misjudged you in any way, I apologize. It's just that when I find a forum I like I tend to get very protective (and I'm somewhat cynical anyway). I tend to "call 'em as I see 'em", but I wouldn't mind being wrong in this case. We shall see.

I hope this particular matter can be dealt with quickly, so I know what the rules are, and we can all resume talking about the subject we like most.

As far as I'm concerned, it's over now, so let's get back to the fun.

By the way, I do like the stuff I've seen on your site so far.  

John

 

[joraft]

I couldn't care less where Marc posts the Festool videos.  I learn about them at this site then I do a few extra clicks to get the them  So what?   I think of that as a valuable extension to this site.

Of course, Frank, and that's because you're a nice guy, and I'm not.

But then you know what they say, nice guys usually finish last. 

John

 

[nickao]

Frank I do not think you make money when I click on your links?

I really think this is all a non issue and MY point is still that joraft has a right to his own opinions and others should not tell him they do not care or what not.

He is technically correct whether anyone cares or not. Marc may not be a Festool Dealer, but his site is a commercial site designed to make money and I applaud him for that.

And Frank you also post a heck of a lot of pictures to this forum and very few off the site and are not a business here giving away tools. So I fail to see the comparison to you and Marc. It's apples and oranges. Marc's low posts are what make it really appear bad, even if it is not.

Why does Matthew not want ads here. Why is he so adamant about certain things on this forum. Because he has a totally different view on how to help the Festoolians then Marc. Neither are wrong, but I know they do not mix well as this thread indicates. And if 50 people did what Marc did in the next day is it a problem then? What if the same person owned all the 50 sites. He just made what Matthew got to date for the entire forum in one day(small exaggeration). Why does Mathew not do this, linking us to video that have ten or twenty ads on them, instead of just posting them here? Because he does not like the format and what it brings to a forum(educated guess).

That is what joraft is trying to stop before it starts. I am not faulting him for that, even though again  it is NOT an issue for me personally.

By the way your cottage is awesome. I can only hope someday to make and save enough to get a property and cottage like that when I retire and then leave it for my kids. I doubt I ever will, but I can aspire too.

Nickao

 

[Brad Evans]

>>>  I'm guessing that the members here that are the most "kind and gentle" about this have never seen a good forum self-destruct within a matter of months. It's not a pleasant thing to watch.

Why all the fear-mongering and sky is falling speak? There is a moderator who has absolute control, if needed.

The videos were timely and informative.  I hope he posts more - a great way to learn about new things.

 

[thewoodwhisperer]

Well it only took me 10 minutes to figure it out (and I am supposed to know what I am doing, lol), but I got the video embedded in the post.  Is there a way to insert a straight .flv Flash file instead?  YouTube compresses the heck of the videos. 

marc

 

[joraft]

Why all the fear-mongering and sky is falling speak? There is a moderator who has absolute control, if needed.

Geez, earlier you concluded that I must be bitter and jealous. Now I'm a fear mongering "henny penny".

Did you actually read this thread?

The moderator may have software controls at his disposal, but he can never have "absolute" control over determined visitors. It's not that difficult to be overwhelmed unless he wants to spend 24/7 at his computer. The best control in any forum is having members who really care about what goes on, even though they may not always agree on what's right and what's not.

The videos were timely and informative.  I hope he posts more - a great way to learn about new things.

I agree, and I also hope Marc continues to participate. But none of  this was ever in contention. Again, I have to wonder if you actually read the thread.

John

 

[joraft]

Is there a way to insert a straight .flv Flash file instead?  YouTube compresses the heck of the videos. 

Marc, the video may be compressed, but it looks great on my monitor.

I assume you are storing the flash files on your site. And a flash player resides on the computer of each user. What happens if you just insert a link directly to the file?

John

 

[thewoodwhisperer]

The flash files are actually stored on a 3rd party video hosting site.  The flash files typically need an embedded player to display correctly.  I have already tried the embedded player and the forum software isn't having it. And linking to the flash file itself doesn't seem to work either. 
Not a big deal. At least the Youtube option is working.  The flash files I make myself are just a higher quality than YouTube. 

 

[Brad Evans]

>>>  Did you actually read this thread?  The moderator may have software controls at his disposal, but he can never have "absolute" control over determined visitors.

Yes, thus my comments.  The fear-mongering and sky is falling comment is with respect to worrying about something that may never happen; the forum spiraling out of control. From what it seems, certainly not from Marc.  Who contacted Matt, asked for permission before posting, and seems like a nice guy with useful information.

Why assume all sorts of bad stuff will happen. There's been no evidence. Why worry about "determined visitors" when none have shown up. No need to get all whipped up about a non-problem...

 

[joraft]

Why assume all sorts of bad stuff will happen. There's been no evidence. Why worry about "determined visitors" when none have shown up. No need to get all whipped up about a non-problem...

That makes sense.

And why worry about installing a smoke detector if you've never had a fire? Why assume there could ever be one?

No need to get all whipped about a non-problem. 

John

 

[Daviddubya]

...I really think this is all a non issue and MY point is still that joraft has a right to his own opinions and others should not tell him they do not care or what not....Nickao

I certainly agree that John "has a right to his own opinions".  As does everyone else.  Was there some Festool topic buried here somewhere?

 

[John Stevens]

Hey John.  You talk as if all I've done is post ads at SMC. 

I've acknowledged that your Festool-related videos are a contribution of sorts, so there's  no need to feel defensive.  If anyone had reason to take offense at my posts, it would be Frank Pellow...but he's got a thick skin. 

I am no forum novice and I understand how these things work.  A person needs to "prove" themselves before having the privilege of pointing to their outside content.  You need to be wined and dined first...........I get that. 

Actually, I could do without the patronizing remarks, but whatever.    I've seen your vids before, and anyone who watches you can tell you're a real person with real feelings, just like the rest of us.  I understand the deal--more time on the forums, less content on your site.  Believe in the value of what you do--go make more content and stop back when you have more vids to tell us about.  No sarcasm intended.

Regards,

John

 

[Jay Knoll]

Hi everyone

Have been lurking for awhile, so I guess I would fall in the "non contributor" classification. 

And I think I will continue to after reading this thread

What a lousy way to treat someone who has something to contribute, regardless of his motivation which to me is neutral at best.

Jay

 

[Frank Pellow]

Hi everyone

Have been lurking for awhile, so I guess I would fall in the "non contributor" classification. 

And I think I will continue to after reading this thread

What a lousy way to treat someone who has something to contribute, regardless of his motivation which to me is neutral at best.

Jay

Hi Jay -nice to see you here too.

I hope that you will participate.  If you check carefully, you will see that there are far more people who greeted Marc warmly in this thread than the number that have given him a hard time.

 

[nickao]

Hi everyone

Have been lurking for awhile, so I guess I would fall in the "non contributor" classification. 

And I think I will continue to after reading this thread

What a lousy way to treat someone who has something to contribute, regardless of his motivation which to me is neutral at best.

Jay

Jay come on.

Have you gone through this complete forum. Everyone here is so nice. And I do not feel Marc was treated that bad at all. joraft was  voicing a concern, thats it. You will  not find a bunch of nicer guys in any forum. No swearing or name calling etc.

I disagree with these guys all day long, but we all agree it is about the woodworking and do not hold any comments over the head of one another.
If this is the worst thing ever to be on this forum we should count ourselves as lucky.

This is the best forum I have been on period. I was made fun of in a way about posting so much. The person who posted and pm'd me is not only a great guy we are working out sending items to each other over seas. Who knows Marc and joraft may become posting buddies.

Please post, participate, ask questions, you will see for yourself this forum has great people. One thread and/or post hopefully is not enough to turn you away.

Nickao

 

[joraft]

...  If you check carefully, you will see that there are far more people who greated Marc warmly in this thread than the number that have given him a hard time.

So what are you saying, Frank, the bad guys here are the ones who object to blatant self-promotion and marketing, and the good guys are the pacifists that roll over for it?

Please don't tell me that when someone steps on your toes you actually thank them for the experience!

John

 

[billybokay]

I have always been of the opinion that when someone serves notice, you should accept that notice and abide by it.
Several posters on this thread have served notice and therefore there is no reason ever to value their opinion again.

 

[nickao]

I have always been of the opinion that when someone serves notice, you should accept that notice and abide by it.
Several posters on this thread have served notice and therefore there is no reason ever to value their opinion again.

billybokay I think that may be going a little to far never valuing their opinion again. I can disagree with someone on one thing and then agree on another.
Maybe the posters you refer to will change their minds. Or possibly they truly believe what they are saying.

I would ask you to consider not not dismissing their opinions on woodworking or other topics because of this silly thread because you did not agree with them. You are your own person, but I ask you to keep an open mind when writing someone off like that. If I am one of the posters you are referring to I can not take back what I believe, that joraft has the right to think whatever he wants, without me being judgmental or taking retribution in some way. He is only trying to keep the forum  up to a certain standard, whether he is wrong or right.

Nickao

 

[Per Swenson]

Dang,

I thought I killed this thread with my blatant but subtle attempt  at

video stardom.

Silly me.

Per

 

[thewoodwhisperer]

Well maybe at the very least, what may come out of this thread is the setting of a precedent.  Blogs that produce free videos (with a profit motive) sort of represent a new category.  Especially when the website is sponsored by the company that shares a name with this forum.   

Since part of my participation in this forum will include my videos, I would like to know what is the acceptable way of notifying people of a Festool-related video that would be of interest to them.  Ironically, I have another Festool-related video coming out on Friday. The topic is about mitersaw safety and doesn't even mention Festool directly.  But you just can't miss the big Green and Black elephant in the room.  Its something that I would like to make people aware of, so those who are looking for footage of a Kapex in the wild might be able to catch a glimpse of it, even though the brand of the saw is not the focus of this particular video.  So I would like to know if, where, and how would be appropriate to let the FOG folks know about it.  Is it acceptable to simply use the YouTube embedding feature?  And which forum category?

Thanks for the advice.

marc