Tools Festool should make

[Kev]

Centred accurate drilling is certainly an area that should get focus .. we were getting there with the Protool drill stands, but they seemed to have all but vanished from the various catalogs.

[member=49013]clark_fork[/member] are we edging towards a flying, digitally controlled drone bandsaw? [big grin]

I do like the idea of something that resembles a track bandsaw for re-sawing, though it would need to run on something more substantial that the FS track system I'm guessing!

 

[Holmz]

I've said this before in the other posts but I'd like some non-innovative basic tools so I can stick with 1 battery platform. I understand that Festool is a company of innovation and they seemingly prefer to releasing game changing tools (like the Conturo). But I would appreicate it if they could swallow their pride and make a basic 18V cordless reciprocating saw, 18V impact driver and a cordless portable band saw (one similar to Dewalt's or Milwaukee's, I don't need one as big as Mafell's because I just use them for metal cutting).

I have a feeling that an 18V impact is in the near future, but I suspect the other 2 aren't.

If FT is not making a better tool then why not buy what is already available?
Other than the same batteries I see no advantage other than clearing out a wallet.

I agree (surprised?)

I do revel in uniformity and order and that's one of the reasons why Festool is the core of my woodworking tools. You just can't expect Festool to make the best of everything and it would be counter intuitive to bring out average tools at what would still be higher than average prices.

I'd actually like to see Tanos get heavily into the space of making Systainer inserts for a grater variety of premium tools or maybe some ultra clever insert forming tech beyond the messing about with the cutting of foam.

Don't get me started on battery compatibility ... proprietary lithium battery packs and chargers have gone quite insane. A standard would both allow manufacturers to focus on their tools rather than the battery tech and would also bring about an explosion in cordless technologies.

Look at the rubbish little battery on the cordless Dyson .. great little vac, rubbish battery that lasts about 7 minutes [mad] [sad]

I've thought about the battery thing a bit and thought an adaptor would be the go, but further thinking made me consider the tool manufacturer's styling needs and therefore a battery module and cartridge would probably work better ... the cartridge would be the after market battery that fits in a common charger, the module would be brand specific to house the cartridge battery.

Another approach could be all cordless tools with a 110v and 230v corded transform sort like Mirka used for the CEROS.
Then you could plug the DC supply into the battery slot with the cord running to the DC supply if one preferred a cord. Or into a CT-Vac.
For those that "get the $hits" with cords then they put the battery into the battery/DC slot.

Then all the tools have DC brushless motors, and are the same tool for 110v, 230v, or cordless.
They only need to make a 110 DC supply and 110v charger, and corresponding 230v DC supply and battery charger.
Then they could collapse the range back to something sensible and get rid of that hosed up "Plugit System" and replace it with a "Plugit battery System".

[wink]???

 

[johnleve]

Seems to be a preoccupation with batteries and battery operated equipment. Maybe this a return to the work shops of our ancestors and the yearning for hand tools.... Maybe Festool should just reissue the Yankee drill or hand auger. Look Ma... no batteries, no cords....!

I think that might be somewhat specific to this forum as currently Festool makes mostly jobsite tools.  Also with battery technology getting better all the time there is almost the ability to make true replacements for corded tools.  I still own and use quite a few corded tools but do prefer the freedom of battery power.  They might be wise to make an egg beater drill, I bet you dollars to donuts it would sell at a nice margin!

2. Re-think the band saw and the task of re-sawing. Think of a hand-held horizontal band saw that is guided by the track system that allows re-sawing of planks. Second, create a new band saw with a horizontal blade and extension stable so the wood lies flat on the table and is guided through a horizontal rather than a vertical blade. (make it safe to operate, a real challenge) The design of the band saw has not changed since the early days but the band saw is good for curves and re-sawing. I am advocating dividing the tasks and creating a new tool that is specific to re-sawing either in a hand operated saw or floor machine.

This sounds interesting, not sure that it would be something I would use but I do like cool tools and this sounds like one!

3. There has to be a way to get the functionality of drill press in a hand held device that allows for straight on center drilling. There  are a couple of devices out there that require taking off the chuck and adding it to a drill guide.  There must be a way of coming up with a clamp on guide that eliminates the operator trying to keep the drill straight. Perhaps a drill could be made with a flat platform similar to the Domino configuration. This would allow add-ons similar to the trim-stop. Having the functionality of drill press in the field has to have some demand.

This would be excellent.  I know I have seen portable magnetic drill presses, or at least that is what they look like to me, but those seem to be for metal work.  Kind of sounds like a small plunge router with a standard drill motor in it might be the ticket here.  Maybe with some sort of view system that allows you to see exactly where the center of the bit will hit.

 

[johnleve]

Another approach could be all cordless tools with a 110v and 230v corded transform sort like Mirka used for the CEROS.
Then you could plug the DC supply into the battery slot with the cord running to the DC supply if one preferred a cord. Or into a CT-Vac.
For those that "get the $hits" with cords then they put the battery into the battery/DC slot.

Then all the tools have DC brushless motors, and are the same tool for 110v, 230v, or cordless.
They only need to make a 110 DC supply and 110v charger, and corresponding 230v DC supply and battery charger.
Then they could collapse the range back to something sensible and get rid of that hosed up "Plugit System" and replace it with a "Plugit battery System".

[wink]???

I have always wondered why there is not an ac adapter that can plug into the battery slot.  To me it seems like it is a simple ac to dc transformer in the shape of a battery pack is all that is needed.  Perhaps it is more complicated than I realize?

 

[Holmz]

Another approach could be all cordless tools with a 110v and 230v corded transform sort like Mirka used for the CEROS.
Then you could plug the DC supply into the battery slot with the cord running to the DC supply if one preferred a cord. Or into a CT-Vac.
For those that "get the $hits" with cords then they put the battery into the battery/DC slot.

Then all the tools have DC brushless motors, and are the same tool for 110v, 230v, or cordless.
They only need to make a 110 DC supply and 110v charger, and corresponding 230v DC supply and battery charger.
Then they could collapse the range back to something sensible and get rid of that hosed up "Plugit System" and replace it with a "Plugit battery System".

[wink]???

I have always wondered why there is not an ac adapter that can plug into the battery slot.  To me it seems like it is a simple ac to dc transformer in the shape of a battery pack is all that is needed.  Perhaps it is more complicated than I realize?

I doubt it... You really present DC voltage to the connectors where the battery presents it.

The only hard part would be to make it not pull current when it is off so that the vacuum doesn't run all the time on "auto". Probably a capacitor and some electronics, or a battery to power the board to sense when the transformer should start??

 

[Kev]

Another approach could be all cordless tools with a 110v and 230v corded transform sort like Mirka used for the CEROS.
Then you could plug the DC supply into the battery slot with the cord running to the DC supply if one preferred a cord. Or into a CT-Vac.
For those that "get the $hits" with cords then they put the battery into the battery/DC slot.

Then all the tools have DC brushless motors, and are the same tool for 110v, 230v, or cordless.
They only need to make a 110 DC supply and 110v charger, and corresponding 230v DC supply and battery charger.
Then they could collapse the range back to something sensible and get rid of that hosed up "Plugit System" and replace it with a "Plugit battery System".

[wink]???

I have always wondered why there is not an ac adapter that can plug into the battery slot.  To me it seems like it is a simple ac to dc transformer in the shape of a battery pack is all that is needed.  Perhaps it is more complicated than I realize?

I doubt it... You really present DC voltage to the connectors where the battery presents it.

The only hard part would be to make it not pull current when it is off so that the vacuum doesn't run all the time on "auto". Probably a capacitor and some electronics, or a battery to power the board to sense when the transformer should start??

DC could get a lot smarter .. Bluetooth connectivity with DC activation would be fairly easy!

 

[Bohdan]

The only hard part would be to make it not pull current when it is off so that the vacuum doesn't run all the time on "auto". Probably a capacitor and some electronics, or a battery to power the board to sense when the transformer should start??

A small alteration to the CT's electronics to ignore small currents and it might even help those that use tools with a 230/110v transformer.

 

[sancho57]

Id like to see festool expand the Compact Module System (CMS). It is a brilliant idea and concept. but they limit it to 4 modules. If they would  come up either a universal module to mount bench top tools such as a combo belt disk sander or make their own design for it.
Id like to see a surface thicknesser or a module to mount the 850 planer bench set up that converts it to a jointer, the stand to use a festool drill as a drill press...

there are lots of possibilities to be had for this system. I understand that festool is expanding its line into other areas. But the CMS is a under used concept.

Gerry Martin once posted a link to a blank module for the CMS which does open the possibilities.

When I return to the states and set up my workshop I will start mounting my bench top tools to the CMS I think it will be even more brilliant and give me the ability to have a truly portable work shop..

Oh I someone posted a video where a guy used the blower on his vac to power his HVLP spray gun. It would be brilliant if festool would come up with something like that, a device to filter the air to the blower of a CT (lie the CT 22 has) and to plug in a HVLP hose and power a HVLP / LVLP spray gun.

 

[Holmz]

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3. There has to be a way to get the functionality of drill press in a hand held device that allows for straight on center drilling. There  are a couple of devices out there that require taking off the chuck and adding it to a drill guide.  There must be a way of coming up with a clamp on guide that eliminates the operator trying to keep the drill straight. Perhaps a drill could be made with a flat platform similar to the Domino configuration. This would allow add-ons similar to the trim-stop. Having the functionality of drill press in the field has to have some demand.
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Like this:
or this:https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL224728A0B9134E30&v=MZUIO80gb_0

 

[clark_fork]

[member=49013]clark_fork[/member] are we edging towards a flying, digitally controlled drone bandsaw? [big grin]

No, but think of a clamp on CNC type device you could apply to a sheet of 4 x 8 goods that you could digitally program to cut all the parts for a cabinet. It would not have to fly but be able to fold up for transport. The LC32 will likely be a programmable digital system in the future. Lots of digital possibilities out there. Drones, I don't know. Lot's of effort making vans with storage. Maybe if the MFT was in drone form, you could fly it to the job site.... [eek]

 

[Cheese]

Oh I someone posted a video where a guy used the blower on his vac to power his HVLP spray gun. It would be brilliant if festool would come up with something like that, a device to filter the air to the blower of a CT (lie the CT 22 has) and to plug in a HVLP hose and power a HVLP / LVLP spray gun.

[member=10147]jobsworth[/member]
I think you're referring to this thread.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/ctl-sys-videos!-not-a-review-but/30/

[member=22405]johnleve[/member]
I remember some manufacturer (one I'm not familiar with) issuing a press release about 9-10 months ago heralding their introduction of a 18V cordless drill that also used a corded transformer that fit into the position that the battery would normally reside in. I've searched for the article but have been unable to find it. I do remember that the product was red in color because I initially thought it was Milwaukee when I first saw the photo.

 

[sancho57]

yup thats it. I wondered why festool hasn't jumped on that. come up with a device to regulate their as well as purify the air and be able to take a HVLP or LVLP hose and be able attach it to a spray gun.

 

[Mavrik]

I wish the domino had a "no wiggle" mode.
Would be perfect for drilling perfectly perpendicular holes into the ends of boards.
Would be so much easier than a drill press

 

[Holmz]

Thank you Seth. 
A year ago I was on this site multiple times a day; earmarking many posts which were helpful to me in my woodshop endeavors.  Then this forum devolved rather quickly into a place where people were rude, personally attacking others, nothing but  about Festool - tools and company, and now it is rare that I find stimulating, useful sharing of ideas, tool insights, etc.  There are a few notable exceptions, but many of the serious contributors have stopped showing up.  Too bad, too bad for us all - enthusiasts, professionals, those interested in learning more - too bad.
There you have it from my perspective.

I feel your pain.

 

[bdiemer]

Some more stuff for the CXS batteries to use. Maybe a small jigsaw or something other manufacturers offer in their 12v/10.8v lines.

Yea, I bought a Bosch shop radio this week that's so small it fits in an l-boxx1 and holds on the wall with a Velcro strip.. It's 12 volt and a festool version would be perfect with a CXS battery.. I am going to upgrade the Velcro though. there's a lot of vibration in the shop.

 

[Holmz]

I am not sure I get the point of the thread.

Festool is in business to make tools for sale, they are not beholden to their customers other than trying to get customers and then keep customers.
While there are some interesting ideas, 1/2 the posts are "wants" for tool that exist by other manufacturers so really the main difference is batteries and the color, or for power tools mostly color.

Intellectually is it is interesting, and maybe from a business or psychology perspective it is interesting.
Mostly it follows Kierkegaard's observation of praying.

 

[Gwerner]

I wish the domino had a "no wiggle" mode.
Would be perfect for drilling perfectly perpendicular holes into the ends of boards.
Would be so much easier than a drill press

I would be fully onboard with this feature.

 

[Mort]

If they don't already (because I honestly haven't checked), what about a small switch that goes on the end of a Plug-It cord that is just an on/off? That way you could operate your vacuum if it's buried under shop cabinets or whatever and you wouldn't have to plug a tool into it.

 

[flair woodworks]

If they don't already (because I honestly haven't checked), what about a small switch that goes on the end of a Plug-It cord that is just an on/off? That way you could operate your vacuum if it's buried under shop cabinets or whatever and you wouldn't have to plug a tool into it.

I like that one!  I spend last weekend vacuuming my shop and was thinking about coming up with something to automatically start the vacuum without turning on a tool or going to the vacuum.  I thought about attaching a lightbulb to a Clapper or something like that to draw current and trigger the vacuum, but don't know how a Clapper would work in a shop environment.

 

[neeleman]

In Holland they sell Home Automation products called "Klik Aan Klik Uit".
Which means you can turn power ON/OFF by wireless remote.
I use the small remote below together with a switch which is put in a wallsocket for turning my CTL 26 ON/OFF.
And it works great, no more reaching under the table and you can even attach the remote to the hose with some tape.
Should be nice if Festool incorporates such things in their vacs.