TS 55 in new CMS router table?

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eruzich

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Does anybody know if the CMS router table can be used with the ts55 bench saw module?

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eruzich said:
Does anybody know if the CMS router table can be used with the ts55 bench saw module?
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At this time, in North America, the CMS is only approved for use with the OF1010 and the OF1400 routers. Therefore Festool USA only sells the module which can accept those routers.

In many countries Festool does sell modules for the TS55/TS75 and the jig saws. In some countries there is an available module for a belt sander. The word from Shane at Festool USA is to not expect to use the OF2200 in the NA CMS soon.

Because of regulatory pressure to require new table saws to have flesh detecting auto shut down (similar to StopSaw) it is unrealistic to hope for approval of a module to accept the TS55 or TS75 in North America.

Please understand that even if it is possible to bring a TS module into the USA, it is not approved for use in North America. Eruzich list his location as California. Should an employer allow an employee to use an unlisted, non-approved tool in the State of California, that would void the workers comp insurance required and also would leave that employer open to criminal prosecution.

So before following advice to take a large empty suitcase to Europe, consider the consequences of such an unauthorized importation.

Of course in California a hobbyist would not be prosecuted for using an unauthorized tool personally, but could be prosecuted if a friend or relative were to be hurt while using such a tool. The homeowners liability insurance policy would be voided. So consider this carefully.
 
ccarrolladams said:
Please understand that even if it is possible to bring a TS module into the USA, it is not approved for use in North America. Eruzich list his location as California. Should an employer allow an employee to use an unlisted, non-approved tool in the State of California, that would void the workers comp insurance required and also would leave that employer open to criminal prosecution.
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What do "unlisted" and "non-approved" mean?
 
Like most states, regulations for worker safety are found in many places.

Even in the Industrial Safety Orders, the terms "not-listed" and "unauthorized" seem to be used to mean the same thing, in random ways.

Generally "listed" means listed by UL, but in some cases listed by CSA is valid. Also for decades the City of Los Angeles ran an inspection service within the Department of Building and Safety. Listing by that lab was accepted for certain categories of industrial equipment, especially in the entertainment industries.

Should you have questions about how use of unauthorized or non-listed tools will affect your workers comp insurance policy, my suggestion is to have a talk with a representative of that company.

The current CAL/OSHA regulations are based upon the Industrial Safety Orders. Refinements have been added to include equipment not invented back in the old days.

At least the good news is such regulations do not apply to the personal hobby users. However, when a non-listed tool is used by anyone except the owner, liability can attach, which often will void a homeowners insurance policy.
 
Nigel said:
fritter63 said:
fshanno said:
What do "unlisted" and "non-approved" mean?
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They are synonyms for "nanny state"...
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Or ''fascist regime''...
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I think it has more to do with our litigious society than anything else.  Nothing can ever go wrong without blame being assigned to someone.
 
Actually I would argue that when people call others socialist they really mean fascist. This is because of private means of production but government control. Not always but I would argue most of the time and there is always a matter of degree.
 
sfay said:
I think it has more to do with our litigious society than anything else.  Nothing can ever go wrong without blame being assigned to someone.
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Yeah, whenever something bad happens, it's expected that steps are taken to prevent that from EVER happening again. It's madness. Obviously, there are cases of legitimate negligence, but sometimes.... sh***t happens.

I still think it's a nanny state, whatever the driver for it.
 
I never worked a big/union site when in Cali, only remodels, but in AU, tools have to be tagged by a licensed Electrician either quarterly or yearly depending on the use.

Worksafe makes periodic jobsite inspections, and an untagged tool would excite a lot more interest than a worktop insert. They're monkeys, they look for the right color sticker and don't care about anything that isn't mentioned in the rulebook.

So if I did something like cut off the plug and mount a new one it could still be certified for legal use. The insert, being unpowered, wouldn't matter as long as the tool itself is legal.

Legally I wouldn't think the insert would be a bigger deal than using a contractor (say Dewalt) type saw with the guard removed, which still happens all the time. Even though the insert isn't approved for use there, it is not unsafe, and could be proven so by the fact that it is in approved use in the rest of the world.

I doubt it was a question of whether it is actually safe but whether it can compete in the market with a huge class of sub $400 contractor saws. I know from use that you can dial it in with extension wings all round and a better fence to go up against a much bigger saw while still being job portable.

But if I didn't know, and was weighing up the purchase against the Dewalt, which I've owned, I might go with the Dewalt (or maybe the Bosch), for a bunch of reasons having nothing to do with safety. Just my thoughts.
 
Please forgive me for the bluntness that follows.  I really am a Hostess Twinky at heart,

A TS saw in a CMS is miles away here in the US.  Product liability is the reality.

Buy from elsewhere, take the risk - up to you.  Don't expect anyone to officially acknowledge you or answer any questions.  No warranty coverage either.

Peter
 
sancho57 said:
Nigel said:
fritter63 said:
fshanno said:
What do "unlisted" and "non-approved" mean?
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They are synonyms for "nanny state"...
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or Kalif
Or ''fascist regime''...
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Kalif?  A little known fact was that the last caliph (whose reign ended when the Ottoman Empire dissolved at the conclusion of WW1) was actively promoting safer tablesaws.  [tongue]
 
I just find this really funny. When I was a kid my Dad had (probably still has) a table for turning a circular saw into a tablesaw. It was something he bought at Hechingers or Rickles or one of those other old hardware chains that Home Depot and Lowes shut down... It was a piece of junk made of thin steel and hardboard with a few supports and sold for something like $30. It used any circular saw you had lying around and just had 4 bolts and a couple of plates to hold the circular saw in place to the underside of the table. It actually did have a blade guard of cheap plastic and a miter gauge, also of plastic and cast metal.

Look how far we've come... LOL
-Jim
 
It would be interesting and possibly even entertaining to sit in on a few Festool strategic marketing meetings where the TS and OF22 modules are discussed.  [unsure]

Most people are aware that UPS and the postal service drivers get "spanked" for using the reverse gear in their trucks too much.  I understand someone high in the postal service initiated an investigation of what it would cost to remove/disable reverse gear in all of their trucks...  [eek]  Unfortunately, some of those high thinkers creep into the other government branches.  [scared]
 
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