TS55R in CMS Unit - Video - Updated Part 1 and Part 2

[itri]

Hi everyone!

This is my first post.I am going to tell you what i think about the cms +ts 55.Writing english is not easy for me because i'm not a native speaker and i'll do my best to make it simple.

I have used the cms+ts 55 for 5 years .I decided to buy it because i didn't have a table saw and i heard a lot about FESTOOL.I Have made furniture and built in for my house and today i'm about to start a business as furniture maker.The cms is very helpful because it is light and well thought.Definitely,it is the best system for those who don't have space to work and if you don't  mind  wasting few minutes to set up your ts 55 on the cms when you need a table saw .Also,removing the sawbench module to put another module takes few seconds and from my point of view,it is the most interesting part of the cms system.

Today,i have a workshop(small one)......and i still need a sawbench.I mean a real one.I am not saying the cms sawbench is bad as I have already said,it is good enough if you don't need a saw bench on a regular basis.But when you need to work on your cms sawbench  only for few cuts and then coming back to the rail system.....it is not convenient.And setting the blade at an angle on the cms sawbench is not easy.Also,I used it with the extension table(the one without leg) and the table is so light that it may fall over on its side.

But since i have a small workshop and i need to keep it as clear as possible,the lightness of the cms system is a very big advantage because it's so easy to put everything aside when i need space .

I need a sawbench and i'll get the cs 50 precisio +extention table(the one WITH legs).I already have the router module(of1400) and i'll get the one for the jigsaw(i won a carvex..... [embarassed]i know) because it is much easier now to put it underneath the module than it was with the ps 300.Don't buy the cms  if it's only for the saw bench because TO MY MIND,it is not the best module of the cms system.

By the way,I would like to thank all of you for being so helpful .

Marty

 

[Kev]

Hi everyone!

This is my first post.I am going to tell you what i think about the cms +ts 55.Writing english is not easy for me because i'm not a native speaker and i'll do my best to make it simple.

I have used the cms+ts 55 for 5 years .I decided to buy it because i didn't have a table saw and i heard a lot about FESTOOL.I Have made furniture and built in for my house and today i'm about to start a business as furniture maker.The cms is very helpful because it is light and well thought.Definitely,it is the best system for those who don't have space to work and if you don't  mind  wasting few minutes to set up your ts 55 on the cms when you need a table saw .Also,removing the sawbench module to put another module takes few seconds and from my point of view,it is the most interesting part of the cms system.

Today,i have a workshop(small one)......and i still need a sawbench.I mean a real one.I am not saying the cms sawbench is bad as I have already said,it is good enough if you don't need a saw bench on a regular basis.But when you need to work on your cms sawbench  only for few cuts and then coming back to the rail system.....it is not convenient.And setting the blade at an angle on the cms sawbench is not easy.Also,I used it with the extension table(the one without leg) and the table is so light that it may fall over on its side.

But since i have a small workshop and i need to keep it as clear as possible,the lightness of the cms system is a very big advantage because it's so easy to put everything aside when i need space .

I need a sawbench and i'll get the cs 50 precisio +extention table(the one WITH legs).I already have the router module(of1400) and i'll get the one for the jigsaw(i won a carvex..... [embarassed]i know) because it is much easier now to put it underneath the module than it was with the ps 300.Don't buy the cms  if it's only for the saw bench because TO MY MIND,it is not the best module of the cms system.

By the way,I would like to thank all of you for being so helpful .

Marty

[welcome]

Hi Marty, You've shared an interesting viewpoint on the CMS. Thank you.

Kev.

 

[Alan m]

welcome marty.
it is vedry hard to get info on here on the cms. as most dont have any experience of it.

 

[IWT-Tom]

I got my CMS System in the other day and have been setting it up in between 'duties'.  So far I like what I see.  I'll also be doing some video on it and our Open Day in July will concentrate on it.  I've got the full system with the sliding table, fence & extension table.  Plus the MFT extension and the separate router table. 

 

[jmbfestool]

welcome marty.
it is vedry hard to get info on here on the cms. as most dont have any experience of it.

I have BOTH

VL-CMS and Basic-CMS as you know!

With sliding table.

I dont even know where my VL-cms is lol I think its in the garage some where gathering dust!   Now that thing was a waste of money I can tell ya that for free!  

The basic CMS with the modules are fiddle and I have a Large systainer to store ALL the random small bits for it cus their are alot of pieces to it.

Kev :  

I would use my TS75 in the CMS over the TS55 like you said you use the TS55 more often and are so more likely to leave the TS75 in the CMS also you have more power and large cutting capacity using the TS75.   I personally would NOT use my TS55 in the CMS

I love the OF2200! I would buy a second one if I needed to.

  I have had a look at the OF1400 but I love the dust extraction on the OF2200 is beats all the OF routers and it has so much power!  So buying a router with less power doesnt appeal to me.  

JMB

 

[Nigel]

The cms looks like a rite faff to deal with mite be ok with a router permanently in it but other than that I can't see I being very practical.

It is!  

I hate removing my OF2200 router out of the CMS module!    I try and keep it in as long as possible!    I only really use my router out of the CMS for work tops and shaping ends of long timber which would be to awkward to do on the CMS.

If it was 50/50 I had to use the OF2200 in and out of the CMS I think I would HAVE TO buy another OF2200 router! but cus its more like 80/20 im hesitant at buying another OF2200.

JMB

Oh come on the routers are pish easy to put in and out in seconds!If you don't like that then definitely don't get a saw module!

The saw module is more of a faff but once you have the hang of it it's OK. However it would get tiresome if you only had one saw to change between rail and module.

Hi everyone!

This is my first post.I am going to tell you what i think about the cms +ts 55.Writing english is not easy for me because i'm not a native speaker and i'll do my best to make it simple.

I have used the cms+ts 55 for 5 years .I decided to buy it because i didn't have a table saw and i heard a lot about FESTOOL.I Have made furniture and built in for my house and today i'm about to start a business as furniture maker.The cms is very helpful because it is light and well thought.Definitely,it is the best system for those who don't have space to work and if you don't  mind  wasting few minutes to set up your ts 55 on the cms when you need a table saw .Also,removing the sawbench module to put another module takes few seconds and from my point of view,it is the most interesting part of the cms system.

Today,i have a workshop(small one)......and i still need a sawbench.I mean a real one.I am not saying the cms sawbench is bad as I have already said,it is good enough if you don't need a saw bench on a regular basis.But when you need to work on your cms sawbench  only for few cuts and then coming back to the rail system.....it is not convenient.And setting the blade at an angle on the cms sawbench is not easy.Also,I used it with the extension table(the one without leg) and the table is so light that it may fall over on its side.

But since i have a small workshop and i need to keep it as clear as possible,the lightness of the cms system is a very big advantage because it's so easy to put everything aside when i need space .

I need a sawbench and i'll get the cs 50 precisio +extention table(the one WITH legs).I already have the router module(of1400) and i'll get the one for the jigsaw(i won a carvex..... [embarassed]i know) because it is much easier now to put it underneath the module than it was with the ps 300.Don't buy the cms  if it's only for the saw bench because TO MY MIND,it is not the best module of the cms system.

By the way,I would like to thank all of you for being so helpful .

Marty

Ton Anglais est parfait Marty  [smile]

 

[Bainiet]

First of all: THANKS Peter for the video, I'm looking forward to Part II  [thanks]

Buying Festool power tools and using them in the Basis gives me the possibility to safely use the circular saw, the router and the jigg saw inverted. Please don't forget that you buy a portable system! If you have limited space (who doesn't?) or if you need to take your tools with you, Festool is great stuff. The big problem is: you always want MORE.  [unsure]

However I hate these minor points of the TS75 in the CMS unit: the height adjuster, the tilting of the sawblade,the non-zero clearance of the sawblade, no groove in the module and the lack of 'aluminium magnets'. If you can live with that, you will be fine otherwise you need a decent tablesaw.

To all of you that have a TS-CMS combination: CHECK the alignment of the sawblade after inserting the module in the unit. Mis-alignment will cause jamming or kickback! Trust me I know wood can fly towards you...  [oops]

I am still working on improving my box joint setting. Check the post out here:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/cms-of-finger-joint-jigg-19279/?topicseen

 

[jmbfestool]

The cms looks like a rite faff to deal with mite be ok with a router permanently in it but other than that I can't see I being very practical.

It is!  

I hate removing my OF2200 router out of the CMS module!    I try and keep it in as long as possible!    I only really use my router out of the CMS for work tops and shaping ends of long timber which would be to awkward to do on the CMS.

If it was 50/50 I had to use the OF2200 in and out of the CMS I think I would HAVE TO buy another OF2200 router! but cus its more like 80/20 im hesitant at buying another OF2200.

JMB

Oh come on the routers are pish easy to put in and out in seconds!If you don't like that then definitely don't get a saw module!

The saw module is more of a faff but once you have the hang of it it's OK. However it would get tiresome if you only had one saw to change between rail and module.

Hi everyone!

This is my first post.I am going to tell you what i think about the cms +ts 55.Writing english is not easy for me because i'm not a native speaker and i'll do my best to make it simple.

I have used the cms+ts 55 for 5 years .I decided to buy it because i didn't have a table saw and i heard a lot about FESTOOL.I Have made furniture and built in for my house and today i'm about to start a business as furniture maker.The cms is very helpful because it is light and well thought.Definitely,it is the best system for those who don't have space to work and if you don't  mind  wasting few minutes to set up your ts 55 on the cms when you need a table saw .Also,removing the sawbench module to put another module takes few seconds and from my point of view,it is the most interesting part of the cms system.

Today,i have a workshop(small one)......and i still need a sawbench.I mean a real one.I am not saying the cms sawbench is bad as I have already said,it is good enough if you don't need a saw bench on a regular basis.But when you need to work on your cms sawbench  only for few cuts and then coming back to the rail system.....it is not convenient.And setting the blade at an angle on the cms sawbench is not easy.Also,I used it with the extension table(the one without leg) and the table is so light that it may fall over on its side.

But since i have a small workshop and i need to keep it as clear as possible,the lightness of the cms system is a very big advantage because it's so easy to put everything aside when i need space .

I need a sawbench and i'll get the cs 50 precisio +extention table(the one WITH legs).I already have the router module(of1400) and i'll get the one for the jigsaw(i won a carvex..... [embarassed]i know) because it is much easier now to put it underneath the module than it was with the ps 300.Don't buy the cms  if it's only for the saw bench because TO MY MIND,it is not the best module of the cms system.

By the way,I would like to thank all of you for being so helpful .

Marty

Ton Anglais est parfait Marty  [smile]

Never said it was difficult.  Just fiddly with all the bits which to ME are not required!  Their are far more simple clip on systems like  the OF2200 bases clip on and off  so why cant they do that with the router and module!  I assume it might not be as safe but im sure they could of made it so it is.

Its not difficult to tighten up knobs  but  you gotta tighten up four of them 3 of them take some turning before they are tight!  Then once the router is in you then attach the fence which again take some turning before they are fully tight.  To me doing that in and out is very slow and annoying! 

I might do a video to see how fast I can attach and remove the OF2200!  I have done it enough times so I should be pretty quick at it now!  but still it wont be as quick as I would like it to be! 

I have looked at some how attaching the bessy toggle clamps http://www.yandles.co.uk/product.php/section/6839/sn/BESSTCHH70  to the CMS so I can quickly remove the OF2200.

Any way I know its a slow process fixing / removing the OF2200 form the CMS enough to make me think twice on how I tackle a job.

JMB

 

[Nigel]

Fair enough . Interesting idea those toggle clamps but they'd have to be carefully positioned as you can't swing them out the way. Not sure how you would fix them either as you know the existing clamps have special threaded inserts....

 

[jmbfestool]

Fair enough . Interesting idea those toggle clamps but they'd have to be carefully positioned as you can't swing them out the way. Not sure how you would fix them either as you know the existing clamps have special threaded inserts....

Well what I wanna do if we go more into detail.. is some how fix the removable base metal frame from an existing base or buy it as a spare part and. Fix that to the module. So in theory the module is like one MASSIVE base you can clip onto the base.

The the toggle clamps are just an extra security thing. Just Incase the router unclips it's self some how. Don't think it would be just wanna be on the safe side.

Jmb

 

[Nigel]

Ah well I only have the 1400 so I can't comment on the 2200 base system as fixing system. It seems pretty sturdy from pics but would it handle hanging upside down on it's own? - like you say you might need extra security but then it sort of defeats the object , no?

 

[jmbfestool]

Ah well I only have the 1400 so I can't comment on the 2200 base system as fixing system. It seems pretty sturdy from pics but would it handle hanging upside down on it's own? - like you say you might need extra security but then it sort of defeats the object , no?

Tell you what!  Im going to do it! Im going to remove the metal fixing plate from one of my removable bases and Im going to screw it to the CMS module!    Ill do a video!  Props take me about an hour to do it so ill be back!

I dont think it defeats the object as long as the toggles are quick.    I think you will only need one  toggle clamp any way just on the opposite side from where you wind the router up and down as that does aid in holding the router in place.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

New Project 15

 

[Deansocial]

Brett this is what we spoke about before, im glad you have done it because i can see how stable it is and alot less faffing about. i might order a new base now just for that. This is how it should be made festool if your watching and jmb doesn't have a degree in engineering to figure that out!

 

[Nigel]

Looks great. Nice and sturdy - you should become a Festool engineer!

 

[jmbfestool]

[big grin]

It is very solid I was surprised how solid it felt to be honest.

 

[jonathan-m]

cool beans jmb

 

[Stone Message]

Just a point I'm pondering Peter ...

TS55 v's TS75 for the CMS - what do you see as the deciding factor?

My thinking is to put a TS75 in the CMS and mostly leave it there - using the TS55 for the majority of track and MFT work (always having the TS75 in reserve for that 5% of the time you need it).

So, penny for your thoughts ...

Kev

Hi Kev

I am sorry to be slow replying but we are up to our arm pits in preparations for our daughter's wedding...

There are several points and most are relevant to my own needs.

First, I mainly need my table saw for knocking off fairly small stock. I am particularly interested in doing rebate work and the ability to cut the tops off my boxes. So - no need for a big saw here.

Next, I have really started to exploit the bandsaw and much prefer to re-saw anything over 2" (50mm) on the bandsaw. It is going to go through the planer anyway and the bandsaw is such a nice option. So - bandsaw does what some people want the CMS-TS75 to do.

Finally (for now), I reckon the CMS base unit is absolutely spot on for a saw of the TS55 or TS55R size. If you need anything bigger then the CS 70 Presario might be a better choice.

I want to end up with a flexible setup that allows me to slip in a TS55R Unit or a OF2200 Unit into the CMS Base. I have owned and used many big table saws and for most, non production situations, the CMS with a TS55 or TS55R is more than adequate.

Peter

 

[Kev]

Just a point I'm pondering Peter ...

TS55 v's TS75 for the CMS - what do you see as the deciding factor?

My thinking is to put a TS75 in the CMS and mostly leave it there - using the TS55 for the majority of track and MFT work (always having the TS75 in reserve for that 5% of the time you need it).

So, penny for your thoughts ...

Kev

Thanks Peter,

That all makes sense.

All the best to your daughter and her groom  [smile]

Bet you're a proud dad.

cheers,

Kev.

Hi Kev

I am sorry to be slow replying but we are up to our arm pits in preparations for our daughter's wedding...

There are several points and most are relevant to my own needs.

First, I mainly need my table saw for knocking off fairly small stock. I am particularly interested in doing rebate work and the ability to cut the tops off my boxes. So - no need for a big saw here.

Next, I have really started to exploit the bandsaw and much prefer to re-saw anything over 2" (50mm) on the bandsaw. It is going to go through the planer anyway and the bandsaw is such a nice option. So - bandsaw does what some people want the CMS-TS75 to do.

Finally (for now), I reckon the CMS base unit is absolutely spot on for a saw of the TS55 or TS55R size. If you need anything bigger then the CS 70 Presario might be a better choice.

I want to end up with a flexible setup that allows me to slip in a TS55R Unit or a OF2200 Unit into the CMS Base. I have owned and used many big table saws and for most, non production situations, the CMS with a TS55 or TS55R is more than adequate.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Hello Everyone

I have now added Part 2 to my original post on this thread. I demonstrate the short assembly and dis-assembly times, demonstrate a few things and tell you what I think and how the unit might be improved.

The CMS Unit and TS55R are a great combination and I am really glad that I decided to get this ahead of the other things on my Festool wish list.

Peter