TS55R in CMS Unit - Video - Updated Part 1 and Part 2

[Alan m]

damb you peter. now i want one and a ts75 to leave in it .
i dont like the y arangment. i think normal y would be better and use vac end conectors so that the assambly ca be kocked down easily

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Alan

This setup is brilliant. I was asked earlier about the TS75 in the CMS unit - for me that would be overkill but for many it would be the perfect answer. The Extractor Set is pretty good and it does work well. Before it arrived I used my CT26 direct to the saw with a 36mm hose and I connected a 27mm hose to an old vacuum machine to take the dust away from the blade guard. That worked well but no better than the 'Y' arrangement. Festool always seem to get it right - especially when it comes to dust extraction.

Peter

 

[Alan m]

i wouldnt see much point in buying another ts55. a ts75 would be handier to have.

i could see that dc hose assembly being a neusence on site and in the back of the van.
i would rather use my normal 36mm and 26mm hoses that i would have anyway

 

[Stone Message]

It depends on the site situation. If a bit of dust is not an issue then you can get away without any collection from the blade guard. If you are working in someone's front room and trying to avoid any dust on the Persian carpet (or making a video about the CMS) then you need to use a 27mm hose on the blade guard.

In the year that I have owned my Jet table saw I have avoided using it. I now seem to be inventing reasons to use the CMS-TS55R combination and reckon that I have used it more in the 3 weeks that I have owned it than the Jet in over a year.

Peter

 

[tjbnwi]

Would it be faster, easier, simpler to remove the module to set the bevel angle than it is to try and adjust the angle from an awkward position? There module if I recall correctly is held in by a couple of Zuess fasteners.

Tom

 

[Kev]

Would it be faster, easier, simpler to remove the module to set the bevel angle than it is to try and adjust the angle from an awkward position? There module if I recall correctly is held in by a couple of Zuess fasteners.

Tom

I suggest you get back to those limbo dancing classes  [big grin]

That and the speed control, etc are the very reasons I'm still on the fence between a CS70 and a TS75+CMS.

 

[IWT-Tom]

If you already have a D36 & D27, you just need one of these:

http://www.intelligentworkshop.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/392/s/festool-dust-extractor-y-piece-antistatic/category/82/

 

[tjbnwi]

Would it be faster, easier, simpler to remove the module to set the bevel angle than it is to try and adjust the angle from an awkward position? There module if I recall correctly is held in by a couple of Zuess fasteners.

Tom

I suggest you get back to those limbo dancing classes  [big grin]

That and the speed control, etc are the very reasons I'm still on the fence between a CS70 and a TS75+CMS.

In real life I have a responce to this but.......

Tom

 

[Stone Message]

Would it be faster, easier, simpler to remove the module to set the bevel angle than it is to try and adjust the angle from an awkward position? There module if I recall correctly is held in by a couple of Zuess fasteners.

Tom

Hi Tom

You are on the right track - the CMS Support Module (the thing the saw is fixed to) is held in by two screws that are turned through 180 degrees to lock or unlock it from the CMS Base Unit. If precise angle adjustment is needed and you are not a limbo dancer then just undo the two screws, swing the saw up, adjust the angle and then lock it back - probably less than 15 seconds. I edited out (I think) the bit where I said that I probably only do a couple of angle cuts a year on a table saw - most of my angled cuts are done with the saw on a guide rail and that is really easy.

Peter

 

[Kev]

Would it be faster, easier, simpler to remove the module to set the bevel angle than it is to try and adjust the angle from an awkward position? There module if I recall correctly is held in by a couple of Zuess fasteners.

Tom

Hi Tom

You are on the right track - the CMS Support Module (the thing the saw is fixed to) is held in by two screws that are turned through 180 degrees to lock or unlock it from the CMS Base Unit. If precise angle adjustment is needed and you are not a limbo dancer then just undo the two screws, swing the saw up, adjust the angle and then lock it back - probably less than 15 seconds. I edited out (I think) the bit where I said that I probably only do a couple of angle cuts a year on a table saw - most of my angled cuts are done with the saw on a guide rail and that is really easy.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Because I'm also not a limbo dancer  [big grin]  do you feel the calibration of the bevel angel is accurate? Or would you be measuring it each time?

This could be a deciding factor for me as I really like the idea of a TS75 in reserve in conjunction with a modestly functional (but highly accurate) table saw. I do have other large circular saws - but they're not track friendly, nor are they particularly refined.

Kev

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Kev

A good question...I used the TS55R, on its own, to do about 90 feet of 30 degree cuts along some plywood sheets and some 2x2. The cuts were done at different times and the saw was set back to 0 degrees between cuts. All of the cuts were spot on.

In my tests of the TS55R in the CMS Unit I took the saw out and put it back in many times. For the first 6 or so times I checked that at 0 degrees the blade was square to the table. It was spot on every time and so I stopped checking. So, given that the saw is perfect when doing angled cuts when used on the tracks and that it is square to the table when in the CMS Unit then I feel safe assuming that the inclination measurement when in the CMS Unit will be spot on as well.

As I said, I know that it is awkward to set the angle with it under the table but it only takes seconds to undo the two screws and flip the CMS Support unit over if it helps.

I managed to see the CMS-TS55R demonstrated at a show (forgotten which one now - that must be an age thing I suppose). Why not see if your dealer has one to demonstrate.

Peter

 

[Kev]

Hi Kev

A good question...I used the TS55R, on its own, to do about 90 feet of 30 degree cuts along some plywood sheets and some 2x2. The cuts were done at different times and the saw was set back to 0 degrees between cuts. All of the cuts were spot on.

In my tests of the TS55R in the CMS Unit I took the saw out and put it back in many times. For the first 6 or so times I checked that at 0 degrees the blade was square to the table. It was spot on every time and so I stopped checking. So, given that the saw is perfect when doing angled cuts when used on the tracks and that it is square to the table when in the CMS Unit then I feel safe assuming that the inclination measurement when in the CMS Unit will be spot on as well.

As I said, I know that it is awkward to set the angle with it under the table but it only takes seconds to undo the two screws and flip the CMS Support unit over if it helps.

I managed to see the CMS-TS55R demonstrated at a show (forgotten which one now - that must be an age thing I suppose). Why not see if your dealer has one to demonstrate.

Peter

Thanks Peter,

The guys at my local will probably be happy to toss a saw in a module for me  [wink]

Based on what you're saying and the fact that it's an accurately calibrated saw against a flat panel ... all would probably be cool.

Kev

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Kev

I just came back in - I set the saw to 30 degrees whilst it was in the CMS Unit and then used a lovely old combination protractor-square (that used to belong to Dad) and it was spot on. Obviously there might be some that need adjusting but, knowing Festool, I doubt it.

Peter

 

[Acrobat]

Peter, I didn't hear or see any mention of what the maximum height left is when the saw is in the module?
I have an old triton workbench years old now that predates this setup, but it came with a large saw and even that I've found doesn't go high enough when I need to cut thick timber because of the table thickness taking up a few precious mm's. If it's for the ts55 saw how deep can it cut when in the table?

thanks

 

[lambeater]

Hi Kev

A good question...I used the TS55R, on its own, to do about 90 feet of 30 degree cuts along some plywood sheets and some 2x2. The cuts were done at different times and the saw was set back to 0 degrees between cuts. All of the cuts were spot on.

In my tests of the TS55R in the CMS Unit I took the saw out and put it back in many times. For the first 6 or so times I checked that at 0 degrees the blade was square to the table. It was spot on every time and so I stopped checking. So, given that the saw is perfect when doing angled cuts when used on the tracks and that it is square to the table when in the CMS Unit then I feel safe assuming that the inclination measurement when in the CMS Unit will be spot on as well.

As I said, I know that it is awkward to set the angle with it under the table but it only takes seconds to undo the two screws and flip the CMS Support unit over if it helps.

I managed to see the CMS-TS55R demonstrated at a show (forgotten which one now - that must be an age thing I suppose). Why not see if your dealer has one to demonstrate.

Peter

Thanks Peter,

The guys at my local will probably be happy to toss a saw in a module for me  [wink]

Based on what you're saying and the fact that it's an accurately calibrated saw against a flat panel ... all would probably be cool.

Kev

Kev I probably hung out at your local, infact even soap sudded the fountain up the cross in my navy days! Never been in your jails though. LOL

lambeater

 

[Stone Message]

Peter, I didn't hear or see any mention of what the maximum height left is when the saw is in the module?
I have an old triton workbench years old now that predates this setup, but it came with a large saw and even that I've found doesn't go high enough when I need to cut thick timber because of the table thickness taking up a few precious mm's. If it's for the ts55 saw how deep can it cut when in the table?

thanks

The maximum depth of cut at 90 degrees is 51mm. I used to have a big table saw which could cut much deeper but I now prefer to do cuts over 51mm on my bandsaw. I have found that it cuts faster than a table saw and do not mind having to put stock through the thicknesser afterwards.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Hello Everyone

I have just had a query via YouTube which I cannot answer. A chap has the old TS55 saw and he has just bought the CMS - TS55R insert (570281). He wants to fit the saw in that insert. Is there an adapter kit and if so does anyone know the Festool part number?

Many thanks.

Peter

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

With no knowledge of the TS module, this would have to be a question for Festool UK (or another Festool office where the CMS TS Module is sold).

 

[AlexThePalex]

I don't think an adapter is needed. When I look at the Ekat, all critical components that touch the saw are the same for both the TS-55 and the TS-55-R module.

Has he tried fitting the saw in the module already?

Only this part number 44 is left out with the TS-55-R module. Not sure if it's that essential. If really needed he could order the part separately, it's number is 493659 and costs around GBP 5.

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[Stone Message]

Hi Alex

They are different. I have both the TS55 and the TS55R. I have the CMS-TS insert for the 55R. The supplied riving knife extension and the screw that secures it fits into the TS55R but does not fit into the TS55.

I have sent an email to Festool UK and will let everyone know what they say. I had a look at the Festool Germany web site and there is no mention of any adaptor kit for those with the TS55 wanting to put it in the CMS-TS(55) insert.

Peter

UPDATE:

I have just taken my TS55R out of its CMS unit and tried to fit the TS55 in instead. Not only is the riving knife extension wrong but also the height adjustment assembly. Otherwise it seems to fit pretty well. Perhaps the height adjuster and riving knife extension have part numbers.