Ultimate Dust Deputy CT 36 SHOCKS

Michael, according to your previous postings, you aren't having any problems with static, so there is nothing you need to do. Given your setup, the only thing you would experience is a nuisance shock for the operator, but you don't mention even having that problem. If you did suddenly begin experiencing nuisance shocks, then simply replace the non-anti-static hose with an anti-static hose. Until then, do nothing.
 
Ok, thanks.
I have only used this setup for a couple of months and I was thinking of how the yearly seasons will make it behave due to different air moisture. But it's good to hear that my vac is safe. Was a little worried by the vac-zap-stories.
 
Brice Burrell said:
Shane Holland said:
I'm not sure I understand why someone would use a DD with a CT AutoClean. Can someone explain? The CT AC doesn't use bags and the Planex doesn't produce large chips.  [scratch chin]

The CT Auto does use sorta uses bags, Disposable Dust Liners, 5 Pack - 496215.

Couldn't you just as easily leave the liner in and dump the tub?  [blink] And save $200 or whatever the DD costs in the process...

I mean, I get it with the DD and larger wood chips. But not with drywall dust. I just don't understand the advantage, but maybe I'm missing something.
 
I've been using my UDD with my planex and ac36.  Way I see it is my UDD takes what appears to be 50% of the drywall dust produced, and this means 50% of the dust will not have the opportunity to reach and clog my drywall dust filter, thus losing suction.  I really like how high the udd makes the hose come off the floor, giving you lots of play to sand walls and ceilings. Bags for UDD can be any bag that fits and takes seconds to change.   I can vac forever without ever changing bags using the udd and ac36 together.   The planex, UDD and ac36 have made sanding drywall a real breeze, and the lack of dust is amazing.

My hose shocks me very lightly in rare intervals it seems while woodworking, doesn't shock hard enough to even bother me, but thats doing woodworking,I never get shocked using my planex.  I wonder if these little shocks are normal, but they are very minimal in strength.
 
In response to those who "don't get it" or think I'm "too cheap"  to buy bags, the $200 i spent on the dd would buy an awful lot of bags. It's interesting how every festool or store rep i speak to about my issue always asks why I would want to use a dust deputy on an auto clean vac for drywall dust. I'm a master carpenter with 30 years experience and build custom homes from start to finish and so drywall dust is only part of the equation. I'm just about to purchase my third pre owned "german Audi". Do you think I buy them because they're trouble free. Far from it but they are highly refined beautiful cars to drive, and the third one has more refinements than the first one I bought. I'm not suggesting that the ct36ac has issues, but it is not perfect. The filter still clogs and I'm looking for a way to minimize this and reduce downtime. I have been in contact with festool, oneida and my retailer trying to find a solution and oneida is and has been very cooperative. although it seems that oneida hasn't done their homework when it comes to the auto clean which is relatively new on the market, I'm not here to play the blame game, I'm just looking to get the best system possible.
 
hanshamm said:
I've contacted Oneida about the situation.  I have sent them pics of the working configuration versus their suggested configuration.  It's been about 2 weeks now without a resolution.  tic toc

I sent an email to Oneida regarding another issue. I haven't even received an email confirming that they are looking at my question. Have you heard anything at all?
 
Sounds like using the all metal dust deputy should never cause a problem.  At ~$120, seems like cheap insurance against this problem.

I, however, still am confused as to why a static discharge, when using the plastic cyclone, would cause a problem in the vacuum.  I would expect the static build up to come from two things: (1) the tool, which is conducted through the first hose, and (2) the static electricity produced by the dust flowing through the plastic cyclone.  When the charge becomes great enough, I would expect this to discharge to the second hose, then be conducted through that hose to the ground in the vacuum.  I can't see why there would be a discharge that would be sent through the vac's sensitive electronics.  There should be a path to ground (vac hose inlet) with a much lower resistance before the electronics. 

Now perhaps if that second hose was not conductive, then maybe there's a higher chance of discharge within the vac, although one would hope that discharge would happen at the hose inlet on the vacuum, and not the electronics.  Has anyone used a Festool hose between the cyclone and the vacuum and not have any problems at all? 
 
I went to buy the Ultimate dust deputy today. Local store had none left and asked what happened to them. They said they were all recalled and they are no longer selling them. They said there was a lot of problems with people frying the electronics on their vacs. This is a pretty major problem. Are they paying for the repairs of people who got zapped vacs?
 
I am surprised Oneida does not appear to be responsive. I have an Oneida cyclone with the filter inside the cyclone. It's been working perfectly for 15+ years and does a great job. With my Festool vac addition, I don't use the Oneida for much beyond my planer and jointer anymore as the Festool vac does a better job for sanding (as my Fein before that). For the Domino and TS55, of course, the Festool vac is best. I haven't used my OF1400 router much but would suspect the same for that after seeing it in operation at a class I went to. At this point, the Oneida seems like it will go on forever and, for dust collectors, portable or otherwise, I swear by them. I'm not sure why they have not been more responsive on this other issue, but they may not understand how to easily fix it or want to make sure they truly fix it before responding. However, they still should give you some sort of initial response indicating they are working on it. Have those of you having problems called Oneida and asked to talk to support? I have always found their support to be very useful.
 
amt said:
Sounds like using the all metal dust deputy should never cause a problem.  At ~$120, seems like cheap insurance against this problem.

I, however, still am confused as to why a static discharge, when using the plastic cyclone, would cause a problem in the vacuum.  I would expect the static build up to come from two things: (1) the tool, which is conducted through the first hose, and (2) the static electricity produced by the dust flowing through the plastic cyclone.  When the charge becomes great enough, I would expect this to discharge to the second hose, then be conducted through that hose to the ground in the vacuum.   I can't see why there would be a discharge that would be sent through the vac's sensitive electronics.  There should be a path to ground (vac hose inlet) with a much lower resistance before the electronics. 

Now perhaps if that second hose was not conductive, then maybe there's a higher chance of discharge within the vac, although one would hope that discharge would happen at the hose inlet on the vacuum, and not the electronics.  Has anyone used a Festool hose between the cyclone and the vacuum and not have any problems at all? 
  YES, I use the 50mm Boom Arm Hose, which is Anti-Static and available by itself as a service part. It's the perfect length to fit between the CT you're using the output fitting of the cyclone.  Never had a shock or damaged any of the CT's that I've used my UDD on.
 
grbmds said:
I am surprised Oneida does not appear to be responsive. I have an Oneida cyclone with the filter inside the cyclone. It's been working perfectly for 15+ years and does a great job. With my Festool vac addition, I don't use the Oneida for much beyond my planer and jointer anymore as the Festool vac does a better job for sanding (as my Fein before that). For the Domino and TS55, of course, the Festool vac is best. I haven't used my OF1400 router much but would suspect the same for that after seeing it in operation at a class I went to. At this point, the Oneida seems like it will go on forever and, for dust collectors, portable or otherwise, I swear by them. I'm not sure why they have not been more responsive on this other issue, but they may not understand how to easily fix it or want to make sure they truly fix it before responding. However, they still should give you some sort of initial response indicating they are working on it. Have those of you having problems called Oneida and asked to talk to support? I have always found their support to be very useful.
  I received an E-mail and a link to a survey from Oneida this week.  I filled it out. Nothing to report except good news back to them. Sorry to hear other users have had problems. I don't know if it's my using a Festool Hose in between the Vac and the Cyclone that prevents me from the static discharge issue, OR, the fact that my very early production UDD was made before they offered the plastic bag kit to fit inside the UDD box, so I don't have any plastic bag that might affect a ground path in my UDD.
I know that doesn't explain how Festool makes the CT-36Auto vac work and ground static electricity at the same time, but since it's the two things I do differently than other UDD users, it's all I could think of that might affect my usage.
Neither my now gone CT-22 or my current CT-36 Auto has given me any issues with static, stock or otherwise.  I also have a CT-26 vac, but have never used the UDD with it.    [huh] [huh] [huh]
 
I have the UDD with my CT22 and I have installed they Oneida supplied upgrade kit and I don't get shocks any longer.

Jack
 
mikeneron said:
Same here...I swear my CT22 has more suction now that it's hooked up to the UDD.

Not only that but, I haven't had to replace a Festool bag in over a year.

Jack
 
Very true Jack and mikeneron, but I needed to shake my filter to relocate the fine partials off the sides of the bay recently.
I only got shockedonce while using a non as hose.
RJ
 
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