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Possibly the result of a class-action suit ala Subway's "foot long" sub. Same batteries, just reclassified then to lower the Ah rating.

I'm getting cynical in my old age.

RMW
 
squall_line said:
Safety regs.  All portable tools have to move to a No-volt release (NVR) switch in the EU, and an NVR switch is not compatible with a remote on-off switch that is at the heart of the CMS system, because you would have to reset the switch on the tool for each activation.
They could easily cater to that by replacing the electrical switch with a mechanical one: a Bowden cable and a tool specific 'finger' that attaches to the tool to press the trigger when the lever on the other side of the cable is pulled. Should have no issues, as the tools already have NVR build-in.

So it's likely that we have to deal with we don't want, instead of we can't.
 
Gregor said:
squall_line said:
Safety regs.  All portable tools have to move to a No-volt release (NVR) switch in the EU, and an NVR switch is not compatible with a remote on-off switch that is at the heart of the CMS system, because you would have to reset the switch on the tool for each activation.
They could easily cater to that by replacing the electrical switch with a mechanical one: a Bowden cable and a tool specific 'finger' that attaches to the tool to press the trigger when the lever on the other side of the cable is pulled. Should have no issues, as the tools already have NVR build-in.

So it's likely that we have to deal with we don't want, instead of we can't.

A physical extension cable switch (I'm thinking similar to remote shutter releases of yore) would need to be unique for each tool.

I suppose that since the mounting plate for each tool is also unique, there may be a case to be made for including a unique cable attachment for each, but you start to lose portability and convenience in that case.

I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "off" switch on a table has a regulation attached that requires it to be a physical power cutoff rather than just releasing a tool trigger.  And if not a regulation, then at least an expectation based on years and years of precedence.

Not that you couldn't incorporate a dual-action power-cut/cable-release mechanism, but now you're getting into some semi-serious R&D that probably wasn't justified by the sales volumes of the CMS product line.
 
CMS can still be bought "as parts" at quite normal prices.

What anyone decides to do with a box full of parts that just so happens to become a fully functioning CMS isn't Festool's problem.  [cool]
 
Coen said:
CMS can still be bought "as parts" at quite normal prices.

What anyone decides to do with a box full of parts that just so happens to become a fully functioning CMS isn't Festool's problem.  [cool]

True, but if you put a newer tool with an NVR switch in the CMS, you'll drive yourself crazy powering the tool on any time you need it.
 
TBH I do not really need one, but I decided I really need one. It is just so good for my purposes. I owned a Bosch table saw and got rid of it because is was just unpractical, big chunky plastic thing that did not fit right anywhere. So when i saw this, i wanted it straight away. the voice of reason held me back, but i saw one shop still selling it for the 2022 price, so I ordered one. Fittingly it will arrive after my birthday :-). That is is so compact is the reason I want it. I ordered it without the batteries and charger as i have plenty of those (but I took it with a free battery deal). Now if I could find a volunteer to convince me i need the cart/base... I have not ordered one of those.
 
Mr Speaker said:
TBH I do not really need one, but I decided I really need one. It is just so good for my purposes. I owned a Bosch table saw and got rid of it because is was just unpractical, big chunky plastic thing that did not fit right anywhere. So when i saw this, i wanted it straight away. the voice of reason held me back, but i saw one shop still selling it for the 2022 price, so I ordered one. Fittingly it will arrive after my birthday :-). That is is so compact is the reason I want it. I ordered it without the batteries and charger as i have plenty of those (but I took it with a free battery deal). Now if I could find a volunteer to convince me i need the cart/base... I have not ordered one of those.
When you buy something from festool you have to buy every accessory no questions asked. Hell I’m not even sure if the saw will function without the cart.

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Bencan said:
When you buy something from festool you have to buy every accessory no questions asked. heck I’m not even sure if the saw will function without the cart.

I view the cart the same way I view the UG60.  It definitely helps if you're going mobile, but there's a percentage (who knows) of the market that'll buy these two compact semi-stationary tools to just put in their mini-workshops (me).  It's not unheard of for people to just build their own mobile rolling worktops for these, and maybe compact support brackets for the very few times they need more cut length and take it outside.
 
How does the tablesize compare with the SawStop compact tablesaw? I suspect the systainer size restriction makes it too small to be usable except for small parts.
 
For those interested, on the Festool USA YouTube channel- the CT SYS 50 is seen being tested by one of their US product testers on the latest “Inside Festool” episode. It’s about eight minutes into the video.
=336s
 
JimH2 said:
How does the tablesize compare with the SawStop compact tablesaw? I suspect the systainer size restriction makes it too small to be usable except for small parts.
I’d imagine it’s much lighter. I have the cts which is a really nice saw but it’s extremely heavy compared to other similar saws

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