What Festool Did You buy Today?

[peter halle]

...Different materials require different blades.

I really wish that more people really understood that and took the time to change their blades. Just buy all of them at the same time and swap as needed.

As an aside, too many years ago when I was talking to Christian about having a FOG get together I came up with skill building contests and one of those was the timed blade change. Unfortunately things didn't work out, but that and the Sys-Roll Slalom would have been interesting.

Peter

 

[Muttley000]

New here. Starting with a bang. I just ordered the Limited Edition 100 Years TS 60 KEB-F-Plus Track Saw with the matching 55" track and the newer CT 36 EI HEPA Dust Extractor. I'm replacing my older saw and shop-vac in preparation for a bunch of DIY projects next year.

Welcome, where are you located?

 

[onocoffee]

Recently, I learned that I could order EKAT parts from my local dealer. Turns out the prices are the same as if I bought it from EKAT and I presume that my dealer makes a little margin, so I'm happy to order parts that way.

But when I asked him to get me base rings for the OF 2200 (so I could have a ready and easy way to mount the router on the flattening sled plate), he ran the number and Festool told him they were not available. I don't know if that is something they were discontinuing or if they were just out of stock.

Undaunted, I decided to call Customer Service and ask them about the rings and when I might be able to get them. The rep was kind enough to find out they had one left and sent it to me. Thanks Festool!

 

[Alex]

Festool had a 100€ cashback promotion running (when buying an OF or RO) until Nov 30.
I wanted to buy a RO90 and an OF to complement my MFK700.
But I couldn't decide between the OF1010 and OF1400.

So I waited. Finally pulled the trigger on Nov 30 at 10pm.
And I didnt't end up buying the RO90.

Bought both OF instead...

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Festool had a 100€ cashback promotion running (when buying an OF or RO) until Nov 30.
I wanted to buy a RO90 and an OF to complement my MFK700.
But I couldn't decide between the OF1010 and OF1400.

So I waited. Finally pulled the trigger on Nov 30 at 10pm.
And I didnt't end up buying the RO90.

Bought both OF instead...

That would be a tough choice. A lot of us end up with both, it's just a matter of time

 

[luvmytoolz]

That would be a tough choice. A lot of us end up with both, it's just a matter of time

Should I be embarrassed I don't have the OF1010? ;-)

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Should I be embarrassed I don't have the OF1010? ;-)

As much as I am over not having a OF2200

 

[Alex]

That would be a tough choice. A lot of us end up with both, it's just a matter of time

that's what I keep telling myself

 

[Mike Goetzke]

that's what I keep telling myself

Maybe it was just mine but the collet to bushing guide was WAY out (little over 1/16") on my OF 1400 and there is no way to adjust this unless you perform surgery. Additionally, I think @Cheese posted that the bushings can move in the base. So I sold it. Maybe they have improved QC since I purchased mine several year ago.

 

[onocoffee]

Bought both OF instead...

Stated like a True Green member of FOG!

#WhyHaveOneWhenYouCanHaveThemAll

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Maybe it was just mine but the collet to bushing guide was WAY out (little over 1/16") on my OF 1400 and there is no way to adjust this unless you perform surgery. Additionally, I think @Cheese posted that the bushings can move in the base. So I sold it. Maybe they have improved QC since I purchased mine several year ago.

The advantage of the way the OF1400 handles the connect/disconnect of guide bushings is speed, simplicity. They snap on/off as quickly/easily as the chip deflector. That makes actually using it a much better experience.
The OF1010 is more precise, but adding/removing a guide bushing (or chip deflector) is way more fiddley.
I reach for the one best suited for the job. Instead of changing bits, I change routers. I have one of the OF1010 set up with a guide bushing and the OF1400 with some kind of edge treatment, which works best having the chip deflector.
I wasn't really kidding about multiple machines; there are distinct advantages. It's not really an average hobby woodworker thing though.

As far as the movement, it can be tightened by bending one of the connecting tabs slightly. This can also move the bushing closer to center too. Mine is very close to center, for sure close enough for most template work. As long as you keep the router oriented the same way, it doesn't matter. It might be off slightly, but it's always the same way.

 

[Cheese]

For those not familiar with the OF 1400 and the OF 2200 routers, there is an inherent problem with both of these when used for certain critical applications. They both use "quick change" template bushings and the bushings are only held in-place with spring pressure so that they may or may not align properly with the router bit. Moreover, even if you're lucky enough to have the template bushing properly align with the router bit, some side pressure applied to the router may move the template bushing off center because it's only the springs that keep it centered rather than actual fasteners.

 

[onocoffee]

For those not familiar with the OF 1400 and the OF 2200 routers, there is an inherent problem with both of these when used for certain critical applications. They both use "quick change" template bushings and the bushings are only held in-place with spring pressure so that they may or may not align properly with the router bit. Moreover, even if you're lucky enough to have the template bushing properly align with the router bit, some side pressure applied to the router may move the template bushing off center because it's only the springs that keep it centered rather than actual fasteners.

Is there a work around or solution to this potential issue?

 

[luvmytoolz]

@onocoffee I had a bit of play in the rings for my OF2200, and after many back and forths with Festool and replacements I ended up tapping lightly with a hammer around the outside edge to get a really snug fit with no play at all.

Not ideal and honestly I really don't think it's good enough for tools in this price range, but for a couple minutes work it fixed the issue.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

@onocoffee I had a bit of play in the rings for my OF2200, and after many back and forths with Festool and replacements I ended up tapping lightly with a hammer around the outside edge to get a really snug fit with no play at all.

Not ideal and honestly I really don't think it's good enough for tools in this price range, but for a couple minutes work it fixed the issue.

I just bent the tabs out slightly, to snug up the fit. You just can't go too far, or it gets more difficult to get it out again.
I really don't see the big deal though. You are restricted to relatively small bits, when using bushings anyway. I would use a smaller router, in that situation.
Those big routers are more appropriate for larger diameter cutters.

 

[Cheese]

Is there a work around or solution to this potential issue?

Yes & no...
There are 2 different issues:
1. The template bushing not properly centering itself.
2. Movement of the template bushing if too much side pressure is applied to the router.

The template bushing not properly centering has never been an issue for me because I just used the 1010 router instead with the template bushing secured with screws.

The larger issue was the movement of the template bushing and I only found that out when I needed to use a 1/2" diameter bit in the 1400 and a Woodpeckers hole boring jig to fabricate a MFT top from Baltic birch ply. Here's a closeup of an oops hole and here are 5 good holes machined and then another oops hole shows up.

And here's how much the template can move depending upon the position of the bushing locating ears. When pressure is applied in-line with the locating ears, I got .003" of movement and when pressure is applied perpendicular to the locating ears, I got .008" of movement. Unfortunately, as the side pressure on the router changes from "in-line with the ears to perpendicular to the ears" the template movement also swings anywhere from .003" to .008" and then back to .003".

 

[rmhinden]

Is there a work around or solution to this potential issue?

The only solution I am aware of is either (as @Cheese said) use an OF1010 that doesn't have this issue, or get a third party base that is comparable with PC style router template bushing guides. For example FullFit Pro™ 7in Round Base Plate . I don't have any experience with this product as I have an OF1010. I think there are others as well.

BTW, I haven't needed to use any template guides since I got a Shaper Origin, but that is a different discussion.

 

[Alex]

I've been lurking and reading for long enough to be aware of the issue with guide bushings.
That's actually the reason why I got the OF1010.
Otherwise I think I'd have been more than happy with the 1400 alone.

It's a shame however that it is necessary in the first place.
My only fear is that Festool comes out with a 1400R in the next few months which adresses this issue.

 

[luvmytoolz]

And here's how much the template can move depending upon the position of the bushing locating ears. When pressure is applied in-line with the locating ears, I got .003" of movement and when pressure is applied perpendicular to the locating ears, I got .008" of movement. Unfortunately, as the side pressure on the router changes from "in-line with the ears to perpendicular to the ears" the template movement also swings anywhere from .003" to .008" and then back to .003".

Wow that's a lot of play! Mine was nowhere near that bad. I am baffled though that as all these tool components are CNC'd, how they aren't at least close to exact tolerance on the fit.

 

[onocoffee]

The RO 90 was released in March of 2011 and the DX 93 was removed from the Festool catalog in 2015 so there was some carry-over. I agree that @onocoffee has some sleuthing to do but I'll still put money on his finding something...and at a cheap price.

I appreciate the confidence. How does $200 in a classic Systainer sound? The pics look in good condition and I’m working on an emissary to pick it up for me since it’s a few hundred miles from me.