which Festool would you pay double for?

[Knottys]

Sure Festool is pricey but for the most part worth every penny and often even more so. As i tell my wife Festool makes me money so although i joke about the cost  i do make a better living with them then i did without them. The question is which Festool would you be willing to pay twice as much for now that you know what they do for you?  to start it off Id be willing to pay $600. for the ETS150/3  , I'm kinda curious to see if anyone would pay 2ce as much for there kapex

K.

 

[justinmcf]

Hi.

If you lived in Australia, you would not need to ask that question, as we already pay very close to double.

In answer to your question... 
None!

I struggle to pay the premium prices as it is, please don't put any idea's in Festool's head.

 

[RONWEN]

Since I don't earn money with my Festools my opinion doesn't weigh as much as pros but the Domino saves a tremendous amount of time & so earns a lot of $$ -- I wouldn't want to be without it at twice the price.

 

[Kev]

Hi.

If you lived in Australia, you would not need to ask that question, as we already pay very close to double.

In answer to your question... 
None!

I struggle to pay the premium prices as it is, please don't put any idea's in Festool's head.

I'm with you buddy !!!

I really don't mind if Festool USA doubles their prices - but here in Oz we're paying enough ... and on some things way too much.

Now on the "which tool would I pay double" topic. NONE. Many of the Festool tools are very good. Most of them are very well thought out versions of common tools, with a couple of very clever unique tools in their range like the Domino.

The relative cost of Festool over many of its competitors is mostly justified.

An honest complement to the Festool tools I have is that if I were to wear one out through use, I'd probably replace it with another Festool without hesitation.

Kev.

 

[score0matic]

I don't think i would pay double for any of it.  Double for a ETS 150 makes it $100 more than a Mirka.  $1000 for a TS55  would be running a Makita. $740 for a Trion  the Bosch is only $160.  I might be willing to pay double for an OF1010 if i were in a job where it would make me $$$$.  Double for systainers  I would have to look again at the Bosch or some other system.

 

[Timtool]

Festool is already pushing the limits with pretty much everything they sell, i will hold back from mentioning anything in particular that i find under priced to their standards should they be listening...

Don't shoot yourselves in the foot by saying you could pay even more for something, i had plenty customers telling me i could charge more and it would still be worth it. The client is king, so the client gets what he asks  [tongue].

Btw, an ETS 150 in europe already costs over $500, strange how european brands lower their price so much on the US market. Makes me think the price is not based on real value but on perceived value. To give your brand a quality image you have to be like 50% more expensive than others. Festool could cut their price in half and still make profit, only they wouldn't have such a quality image anymore.

 

[ajones]

Haa Haa I would not pay want they want for the kapex  now...... I think they have already doubled the price of it, and most festools.

if they sold it for half the price I would buy it [wink] maybe...

 

[AlexThePalex]

Ok, this is getting silly. I wouldn't pay double prices for any Festool. Half price, sure, double price, no way!  [smile]

Btw, an ETS 150 in europe already costs over $500, strange how european brands lower their price so much on the US market. Makes me think the price is not based on real value but on perceived value. To give your brand a quality image you have to be like 50% more expensive than others. Festool could cut their price in half and still make profit, only they wouldn't have such a quality image anymore.

I think taxes have a lot to do with it. I'd think Festool still would like to have the same profit margin in any market.

 

[Knottys]

don't get me wrong, i don't own a Kapex myself I'm quite happy with the new axial glide. Then again i work in a shop so no need to carry 30kg around. I was just curious if any one thought i was worth 2ce as much.( i certainly don't)
The ets150/3 would still make me money at $600 so i would probably purchase it however if it was really $600 id explore my option... then who knows you may end up with a mirka.
listing this topic i was more interested to see what tool you all thought were just incredible worth the 2x price tag.

Disclaimer: I don't work for festool and i do recommend a price decrease

K

 

[mouppe]

If I were you I'd buy your Festools now if you live in the US.

I am just speculating but at the moment, I believe the US market is subsidized by the European market because Festool is trying to gain a foothold in the US. Once the brand is well-established and they have have a decent market presence, I am sure they will try to close the disparity in prices and make the US a more profitable region.

I wouldn't pay double for any drill, in fact I waited till the C12 went on close-out to get one. The rest of the product range represent excellent value- I consider all of my Festools worth at least what I paid for them.

 

[honeydoman]

ALL OF THEM !!!!!  hows that for an answer i have saved more time and building cabinets cost since I started using festoons that even double the price I would make up the difference in less than a year and then keep moving forward.  as festool saves me anywhere from 15 to 25% of my time when I do a built in over prior way I was doing it... plus I build a better and stronger box.

examples:  ts55 knocking down sheet goods...... lr32 system for shelf holes..........dust collection on clean up..........domino for alignment of sides to tops no more fiddling around trying to align them up.

now the Kapex itself really does not save time but being lite weight makes it easier to carry plus being on the ug stand makes it easier and faster to take to set and and back again.

sustainers save time in organizing things and finding things faster and the new t-loc saves time unlatching them over the old style.  so festool go ahead and double the prices great idea !!!! ya right.. lol  [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

but hey I answered your questions... tools have never been a price factor for me it s the value received by the tool that I am buying and the price is just a number for exchange to get the tool its a revolving door. !!!

 

[greenMonster]

worst thread ever
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Neill]

Sure Festool is pricey but for the most part worth every penny and often even more so. As i tell my wife Festool makes me money so although i joke about the cost  i do make a better living with them then i did without them. The question is which Festool would you be willing to pay twice as much for now that you know what they do for you?  to start it off Id be willing to pay $600. for the ETS150/3  , I'm kinda curious to see if anyone would pay 2ce as much for there kapex

K.

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think this question was taken too literally.  I think what knottys really wants to know might be "What is your favorite Festool? or "What Festool do you use the most?"  or maybe "What Festool could you not do without?" or even "What Festool do you look forward to using the most?"

If I am wrong, I am sorry.  If I am right my answer would be a tie between my Kapex and my 150/3.

Neill

 

[andvari]

Hard to say. There are alternatives out there - Fein vacuums, Mafel double dowel tools, other track saws. It would be tough to go double again in price for the green and white (I have a TS55, Domino 500, CT36, OF1400 and a 3 meter track - and I'm a hobbyist, not a pro). If I were making income from this I might have a different view.

The phenomenon of lower prices in the US is nearly universal and is not specific to Festool.

The price advantages in the US have been that way since the conversion of war production to consumer goods at end of World War II. It is common to hear people visiting even from China shocked because the prices of Chinese goods in the US are significantly lower than they are in China. Twenty years ago I got the same reaction taking Japanese visitors to local electronic stores.

The low prices are due to a lot of factors.

1. There are no internal trade, language or cultural barriers. You can set up a service distribution and repair center in Kansas and it's good for the whole 300,000,000 of us. This keeps costs down.
2. Per capita disposable income is the highest in the world. Thus demand per capita in the US is highest. This keeps costs per unit sold down even more.
3. There is no national VAT.
4. The Almighty Dollar is the international reserve currency. Having an income in dollars makes it easier to pay international debts and provides a form of currency and economic arbitrage. This again is a cost advantage you get by selling in the US.
5. Competition is stiff because it is such an attractive market.

 

[jmbfestool]

haahaa!  No way would I pay double! Love the stuff but nothing is worth double!  Their are tools out at the moment which are silly money (some Mafell tools I want)  and if they where slightly cheaper I would buy them now and festool if they where to double the prices would be in the same boat as some of the mafell tools and other brands I want to buy and so I would not buy festool either.

The thread is  a little silly cus dont know if you know but FESTOOL do actually read FOG even UK festool reads Fog just a shame they do only that and nothing more.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

I don't think this is a good thread either.  All Festools are over priced & are on the limits of what I am willing to pay for a power tool.  Remember, Festools are not perfect & many of their tools have silly faults with them.  Something you would not expect from a "premium" brand.

Woodguy.

 

[Guy Ashley]

I don't think this is a good thread either.  All Festools are over priced & are on the limits of what I am willing to pay for a power tool.  Remember, Festools are not perfect & many of their tools have silly faults with them.  Something you would not expect from a "premium" brand.

Woodguy.

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Says the man who is about to blow £1150 on a Domino XL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [poke] [poke]

 

[greenMonster]

better than 2300  :

 

[Alan m]

i think the domino and domino xl  are probably the only festools worth the high price that they cost.  the sanders are also some of the best in the market. lots of their tools are not worth the cost they are now, (drills , kapex, ts55, jig saws, cts. )
there are too many flaws and oversights on most of them to warrent the currrent cost. you can get tools that are as good or nearly as good for nice bit less.

i wouldnt pay current prices for most of it let a loan double.

if they fixed all the stupid issues and oversights then they would be worth the price they are now

 

[NoBreyner]

I can't afford all of the Festool items that I really want, so it'll be a few years before I can get them all.  When I do have all the ones I'd use the most they'd be intro or cheaper Festools like the CXS, Ro90 and CT Mini (w/dust deputy) those just mentioned I got within the last two months.  Future Festool purchases include the OF 1400 (have to have the ability to have 1/2 and 1/4 collets.)  MFT/3 (replaces my current work bench) and the TS 55 which will probably take over the majority of the work over my Ryobi tablesaw.  After those three purchases most of my Festools will be accessories or find local cheaper alternatives like the Dewalt clamps that you get two for the price of one festool clamp Dewalt clamp.  Another 55" track to add to the one that comes with the TS 55 to cut full sheets of ply lengthwise.  I'd love to have a domino, but at $800 minimum, that's not going to happen.

What Festool would I pay double for?  None at all, the pricing as it is, is almost a deal breaker for me.