(Yet another) Domino 500 jig...design input/question

[FestitaMakool]

Glad to hear Ola, kudos to you, and Veritas, and Lee Valley bringing it to the market.

I noticed your jig early on, and figured I’d have to build my own (probably a lot lesser than yours.. [embarassed]). But now there will be an option, and the very good impression of Lee Valley and Veritas I’ve had as a customer only manifests further.

 

[4nthony]

From the video comments:

"We’ve recently received some criticism accusing us of stealing this product idea from a YouTube video. While we certainly saw the video in question while researching MortiseMatch, it was only one of the videos and articles we found. The earliest similar design we found was from 2001, 18 years earlier than the video that is being claimed to be the soul source of our inspiration.
Nothing in our marketing of MortiseMatch claimed this to be a completely unique idea. In fact, the second paragraph of the product release email specifically mentioned that we had reviewed several designs online and found them to be lacking certain features we found critically important, primarily the ability to adjust the height of the cut.
Here are just a few of the links to web pages we found while researching table mounting the Domino, all of which pre-date the Carmonius Finsnickeri video by almost 2 decades."
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2002/02/01/biscuit-master-reviewhttps://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-plans/jigs/accurate-alignment-biscuit-joiner-jighttps://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/26077https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/thestationarybiscuitjoiner.aspx

Valid response and this whole topic reminds of a video series called "Everything is a Remix" which, if I remember correctly, was about how every current idea is based on an old idea and that there's isn't much "new" anymore. From movies and music, to design, architecture, and devices, most things are just rehashed versions of another thing that came before it.

The wheel has already been invented; it's just being continually refined. Even if someone arrives at an idea independently of outside influence, it doesn't mean the idea is unique or doesn't already exist.

 

[Rick Herrick]

It bothers me that it looks so much like Ola's design but I can get over that if a few things happened, but so far I don't think they have (Ola, do you have a new car yet ?). 

I am not afraid to spend money on tools.  I have lots of blue, green and red tools.  I will pay for something I really want.  But really... does this version from WP have to cost $650 (on sale)?  My word, I wish I could hear or read a rationalization as to why it has to cost that much.  I am not an engineer, designer, fabricator or even a bean counter, but this seems incredibly, incredibly high to me.  Just sayin'.

In another time dimension, I would truly love to have this tool, I really would.

 

[Ola C]

It bothers me that it looks so much like Ola's design but I can get over that if a few things happened, but so far I don't think they have (Ola, do you have a new car yet ?). 

Just got a new car last november, 3 year contract so can't handle another one right now. [big grin]

I have no demands or expectations on this. It would be nice with a few more youtube subs as I have more jigs in the pipe but very small audience, but that's about it. 

 

[ChuckM]

All in all, I find that the majority of the views expressed in that YouTube Comments section do reflect the kind of value proposition that I'd like to see from a vendor or merchant. For me, it isn't about whether there is nothing new under the sun, but about acknowledging someone's intellectual contribution, however small it may be. 

 

[Svar]

I like a comment made by Dimitri Mitropoulous on the Mortise Match Deep Dive video that WP posted 15 April.
"Above, Woodpeckers literally linked to every other example EXCEPT HIS ( Ola's )! Can you not see how incredibly bad that looks??? It comes off astonishingly tone-deaf. If you're so willing to cite other examples then cite him too. Easy."
Woodpeckers did seem to get some inspiration from Ola's design.

Definitely not every other example except Ola's. I've seen many more Domino mounting jigs like this over the past 15 years. Some even employed levers or pedals for plunging that freed both hands.

 

[waho6o9]

Thank you Lee Valley!

 

[jimbo51]

Woodhaven had a Domino jig many years ago and discontinued it. Maybe it was a starting point for many jigs.

 

[jimbo51]

Box 185 seems to have missed the part about the references being before the video appeared. Hard to reference something when the time frame is before the event.

 

[RMDavis]

@ 4nthony 

Thank you for postting the "Everthing is a Remix".  Most interesting and inciteful video I've seen in years.

Ross

 

[jdm5]

[member=4165]Rob Lee[/member] any updates?

 

[Muttley000]

It bothers me that it looks so much like Ola's design but I can get over that if a few things happened, but so far I don't think they have (Ola, do you have a new car yet ?). 

Just got a new car last november, 3 year contract so can't handle another one right now. [big grin]

I have no demands or expectations on this. It would be nice with a few more youtube subs as I have more jigs in the pipe but very small audience, but that's about it.

Subbed!

 

[Rob Lee]

[member=4165]Rob Lee[/member] any updates?

Hi - we are just wrapping up production now - and show availability (internally) on June 14-17. Marketing collateral is still being shot. So not long ...!

Cheers -

Rob

 

[jdm5]

[member=4165]Rob Lee[/member] ... any update? 

 

[Rob Lee]

Waiting on an a late shim extrusion..... but all ready to go once received!

It's due within days now.

Cheers -

Rob

 

[Rob Lee]

Hi,

While 95% of this product was finished months ago, the extrusion for the standard shim was several weeks late, but the jig will be up on the website and available to ship on Monday ( July 18).

Cheers,

Rob

 

[ChuckM]

Options, prices and any pictures of the final product?

 

[Rob Lee]

Hi,

Product is up on the website - just search for 05J1701 .  Inventory is in transit between buildings, so still showing out of stock … but will be received this AM, and is ready to ship.

Cheers,

Rob

 

[Michael Kellough]

Here it is.

 

[Adamsse]

Looks great, better price than alternatives, AND in stock. I just ordered one.