(Yet another) Domino 500 jig...design input/question

[Gene Howerton]

I also just order one.  I look forward to using it.  I have a bunch of panel doors to build.

 

[Rob Lee]

Thanks for the orders…..

…I just ordered one too….!

Now I have to get my Domino back from the R&D department…..

Cheers,

Rob

 

[Crazyraceguy]

That is one very good looking unit. Well thought out and professional

 

[jbarr]

This does look good but I have one concern. The positioning rod is just placed in a hole. How much wiggle room is there now and will that get worse as time goes on? Ola's system for aligning the rod and locking it in seems way better than the one offered here. I made the Ola version as soon as I saw his and absolutely love it but I use a series of 12 memory sticks of different lengths which covers everything I do and is perfectly accurate but I was hoping Lee Valley would have come up with a similar set up Ola's, however their shim system is a big improvement over mine. I was 50/50 on ordering this but I'll stick with my home made job especially given the shipping cost and delivery time to Australia which is always a problem for us woodworkers on things like this. Woodpeckers version would have cost over $1100 USD including a whopping shipping cost of around $400 USD.
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[Rob Lee]

Hi,

We went for a simple, replaceable, easy to make design. Hole wear should be insignificant…but should it ever arise, drill another hole beside it, or plug and re-drill, or even put in a hdpe liner…lots of choices.

With our design, you can easily make custom fences for specific applications, and can use the same registration system for all.

Cheers,

Rob

 

[Ola C]

Hi,

We went for a simple, replaceable, easy to make design. Hole wear should be insignificant…

Cheers,

Rob

Correct me if I'm wrong Rob but looking at the pictures there seems to be a (metal?) bushing in the hole for the positioning rod?

 

[Rob Lee]

D’oh!

Ola is correct….production has a brass sleeve ( our pre-production didn’t)….

Nonetheless - comments above are still relevant….we used this design choice to allow customers to make their own fences.

Would have been able to answer better had I been able to pick up my order!

 

[ChuckM]

D’oh!

Ola is correct….production has a brass sleeve ( our pre-production didn’t)….

Snip.

If the final version didn't come out with a sleeve, I'd probably modify it myself to use it with one anyway!

 

[Rob Lee]

The embarrassing  thing is….I’m the one who suggested the sleeve, and I forgot about it. We did have the discussion around wear, and decided it was a non issue… but didn’t want to argue it…and just added it.

Which I sorta just did anyway….  [big grin]

 

[FestitaMakool]

Noticed a unusually interesting Lee Valley mail too yesterday!
Recognised immediately the Carmonius jig  [smile]

It’ll be in my “shopping cart” until later - picking it up from one of LV dealers in Europe or direct from LV at a later point when more need for it.

 

[jbarr]

With our design, you can easily make custom fences for specific applications, and can use the same registration system for all.

Cheers,

Rob

I understand the flexibility of making your own fences.

Rob, can you just buy the positioning rod assembly as a spare part?

If not can anyone provide a link as to where I could buy/make my own

 

[Bob D.]

D’oh!

Ola is correct….production has a brass sleeve ( our pre-production didn’t)….

Nonetheless - comments above are still relevant….we used this design choice to allow customers to make their own fences.

Would have been able to answer better had I been able to pick up my order!

Rob, you didn't go all out and get the optional angle fence that I saw mentioned earlier?

 

[Rob Lee]

With our design, you can easily make custom fences for specific applications, and can use the same registration system for all.

Cheers,

Rob

I understand the flexibility of making your own fences.

Rob, can you just buy the positioning rod assembly as a spare part?

If not can anyone provide a link as to where I could buy/make my own

Hi… I can certainly get a price for that…. Shoot me an email at rlee@leevalley.com …. We should have the parts in stock at Veritas.

Cheers -

Rob

 

[Rob Lee]

D’oh!

Ola is correct….production has a brass sleeve ( our pre-production didn’t)….

Nonetheless - comments above are still relevant….we used this design choice to allow customers to make their own fences.

Would have been able to answer better had I been able to pick up my order!

Rob, you didn't go all out and get the optional angle fence that I saw mentioned earlier?

Hi Bob -

No….we didn’t run it, as I’m not convinced of the utility/value over making your own specialty fence.

1. If we had made it, many would have bought it as part of the intro, without questioning the utility of it ….so a risk of disappointing customers long term
2. If you can cut the angles for the piece to Domino, you’re capable of cutting the angle needed for your own fence.
3. Adjustable things can also go out of adjustment….!

It is easy to make though….and we’re willing to do it if there’s enough demand.

Cheers,

Rob

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.
2. If you can cut the angles for the piece to Domino, you’re capable of cutting the angle needed for your own fence.
3. Adjustable things can also go out of adjustment….!

Snip.

Cheers,

Rob

22.5* is what I foresee doing down the road, and yes, I do plan to use the same shop setting to cut the components as well as the custom fence at the same time when I get to that.

 

[Bob D.]

D’oh!

Ola is correct….production has a brass sleeve ( our pre-production didn’t)….

Nonetheless - comments above are still relevant….we used this design choice to allow customers to make their own fences.

Would have been able to answer better had I been able to pick up my order!

Rob, you didn't go all out and get the optional angle fence that I saw mentioned earlier?

Hi Bob -

No….we didn’t run it, as I’m not convinced of the utility/value over making your own specialty fence.

1. If we had made it, many would have bought it as part of the intro, without questioning the utility of it ….so a risk of disappointing customers long term
2. If you can cut the angles for the piece to Domino, you’re capable of cutting the angle needed for your own fence.
3. Adjustable things can also go out of adjustment….!

It is easy to make though….and we’re willing to do it if there’s enough demand.

Cheers,

Rob

Understood.

 

[ChuckM]

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Need to come up with a suitable project (not another picture frame!) to build to test the jig. ;D

 

[ChuckM]

Finally here:

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Assembly may take some time, but I already have some tentative idea on what to use it for (subject to further study).

 

[jbarr]

Finally here:

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Assembly may take some time, but I already have some tentative idea on what to use it for (subject to further study).

Look forward to a review when you've set it up, Chuck
I'm still undecided whether to stick with my home made Carmonius copy, which works well, or go with one of these more professional units

 

[ChuckM]

Look forward to a review when you've set it up, Chuck
I'm still undecided whether to stick with my home made Carmonius copy, which works well, or go with one of these more professional units

I haven't studied his design vs Veritas's in detail, and so I wouldn't know what significant or additional benefits one may have over the other. But this is my initial take (not a review) of the Veritas joinery table.

- Assembly was not much different from putting together an Ikea build (allow about 30 minutes for reading the instructions and assembling the components).
- The table is much larger than I thought, and so, given its weight, I didn't need to clamp it down on the workbench to test it
- The spring-loaded hold-down clamps are clever
- To align and set the machine to the fixed fence, use the movable fence (not a straight edge), as given in the instructions.

For testing the table, I milled some 5mm stock with the 4mm cutter, using shop-made crude 2.5mm thick shims.

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Conclusion: The table delivered what it is supposed to. The mating pieces were flush on the faces, although the mortises were not centered.

Why testing with 5mm stock? Because the first project I have in mind to build with the jig will be using 5mm ply -- but I need to find some accurate 2.5mm material to use as shims first.

Improvements made:

1) I replaced the small washers for the knobs with larger ones, but I intend to use large plastic washers if I can find them (or make them)

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2) To prevent the offset gauge knob from falling out, I put an O-ring on the rod.

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