A little bird told me there are new tools coming

[P_K]

I ripped all of these floor boards to final width and changed the HKC's battery twice I think. Sailed right through using long rails and the dust extractor.

 

[wpz]

@wpz Did the little bird happen to say when?

As far as I know: plunge saw in March, tabless batteries in April.
At least for Europe, in the US, who knows.
(they probably have to glue stickers with scales in freedom fractions on them first )

wpz

 

[rst]

not topic related but anyone looking for decent vac deal, Acme has Fein Turbo II marked down to $330 from $550.

 

[Coen]

Wowwww that sand paper having the swappable tip edge is prolific. How cool.

Also yet another custom sandpaper form. Although the tip is probably 93V

 

[neeleman]

As the sander is called DTSC 200 I would think it's Delta 100x150 sandpaper and an extra strip of 50 mm at the back, making it 200 mm long.

 

[Coen]

Per Cheeses's illustration above, tab-less cells connect the entire edge of the battery's internal electrode to its end terminal so the current flows more evenly across its entire surface as it's being drawn thus eliminating bottlenecks and heat buildup. They've also been designed to allow for more material to be packed into the cell so they're higher in energy density than conventional tabbed cylindrical 2700 cells. Should be the same Festool pack, just different cells inside.

Metabo, Bosch, Dewalt et al are all moving towards either tab-less cells or pouch style ones for their packs. Festool is just trying to keep up with everyone else I suppose.

But Bosch made a serious effort to improve the cooling of their packs, even before tabless arrived. Festool still has the air-insulated packs that inherently limit heat dissipation.

 

[Coen]

As the sander is called DTSC 200 I would think it's Delta 100x150 sandpaper and an extra strip of 50 mm at the back, making it 200 mm long.

If you pause the video at around 11 seconds, when he moves the sander to the wall, you see this:


Also, Festool explicitly says that when the tip of the paper is worn, you can rip off the front triangle and rotate it to get a new tip; see the pre-cut line. Delta 100x150 can't rotate. 93V can.
Maybe that tip is neither 93V nor delta 100x150; the hole pattern doesn't match either current existing format.

 

[onocoffee]

As far as I know: plunge saw in March, tabless batteries in April.
At least for Europe, in the US, who knows.
(they probably have to glue stickers with scales in freedom fractions on them first )

wpz

They never do Freedom Fractions here. That's why so many here like to hate on Festool: "It's too expensive and they use socialist measurements", but with no release of the DFC 500 R, who knows if any of these other tools will (ever) make it to the USA in 2026.

Maybe that tip is neither 93V nor delta 100x150; the hole pattern doesn't match either current existing format.

I think that's a whole new abrasive size. It's too "fat" to be the current Delta as on the DTS. I guess it's like "six inch" delta.

 

[neeleman]

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[neeleman]

If you pause the video at around 11 seconds, when he moves the sander to the wall, you see this:
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Also, Festool explicitly says that when the tip of the paper is worn, you can rip off the front triangle and rotate it to get a new tip; see the pre-cut line. Delta 100x150 can't rotate. 93V can.
Maybe that tip is neither 93V nor delta 100x150; the hole pattern doesn't match either current existing format.

Yes, I think you're right. Changing or rotating the tip part will always cause a transition with possible scratches on the material.
I still think it's a little strange format at all.

 

[Zaph]

Why not just make a full triangle form machine then (basically without that strip at the back), would make way more sense to me seeing the use cases where you use this type of sander vs an ETSC. This is just trying to reinvent the wheel needlessly. Make a sander with the ROTEX 90 delta format.

 

[peter halle]

Personally, after using my DTS for years, I would love to have the Velcro pad split so that the pointed end is replaceable separately. It will be interesting how they market the paper for the new version. If they are whole sheets then in my usage there would be lots of back portion sheets in my systainer.

Peter

 

[PaulMarcel]

So now we know why the prices on the current 4.0, 5.0 & 8.0 batteries went down so drastically. I expect that with the release of the tabless TBX 4 battery, the current 5.0 battery will go away completely as the TBX 4 is probably the power equivalent.

It would be interesting to see if the CTC-SYS could use the TBX-4 since it can't use the current 5+ batteries

 

[leakyroof]

Also yet another custom sandpaper form. Although the tip is probably 93V

It looks bigger than 93V, and I agree,, possibly yet another Customer paper to stock if you want the "Removeable" section for the front of the Sander due to wear in just that area of your paper...

 

[leakyroof]

Why not just make a full triangle form machine then (basically without that strip at the back), would make way more sense to me seeing the use cases where you use this type of sander vs an ETSC. This is just trying to reinvent the wheel needlessly. Make a sander with the ROTEX 90 delta format.

I can answer this a bit, as I own several true Delta sanders and two DTS 400 sanders. The shape of the DTS 400 sanders is more stable on flats or overhead than the smaller Delta type pads, with their reversible shape. I actually held off buying a DTS 400 for just this reason compared to the RO90 or old DX 93 sanders that I already had.
Another Paper to stock? Not reversible/moveable like my DX93's.. Finally I tried one, almost never use my Delta sanders unless it's a tight space or I need the extended pad that you can use for the 93 paper.
And the flow of the sides of this new Sander shown, like a DTS 400, is that it's easy to control gentle curves and turns while in use. I liken it to using an Iron on clothes. Works for me.

 

[luvmytoolz]

It would be interesting to see if the CSC-SYS could use the TBX-4 since it can't use the current 5+ batteries

I use the 5's (possibly 5.2, not sure) and 8's in my SYS 50? They don't fit yours Paul?

 

[Coen]

Why not just make a full triangle form machine then (basically without that strip at the back), would make way more sense to me seeing the use cases where you use this type of sander vs an ETSC. This is just trying to reinvent the wheel needlessly. Make a sander with the ROTEX 90 delta format.

They had the DX 93 E; a sander solely for the 93V sandpaper. That sander got discontinued shortly after the RO 90 came out.

 

[Cheese]

I purchased my first DTS in 2008 and then when the cordless version of the DTS was released, I purchased that in 2017. So by 2021, having used several DTS sanders for over 13 years, I realized I had gone through a lot of sandpaper "points" and decided to see if I could produce something better using the paper used for the DX 93 as the replaceable/rotatable "point". This is what I came up with back in 2021...it looks stunningly similar to the DTSC 200.
I started by removing the pad from the DTSC 400 to find where the dust evacuation channels went and then modified a piece of regular delta sandpaper and installed the "point" paper from the DX 93. The green circles on the "point" paper are the additional holes I needed to add to the DX 93 paper to provide proper dust extraction. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[onocoffee]

I purchased my first DTS in 2008 and then when the cordless version of the DTS was released, I purchased that in 2017. So by 2021, having used several DTS sanders for over 13 years, I realized I had gone through a lot of sandpaper "points" and decided to see if I could produce something better using the paper used for the DX 93 as the replaceable/rotatable "point". This is what I came up with back in 2021...it looks stunningly similar to the DTSC 200.
I started by removing the pad from the DTSC 400 to find where the dust evacuation channels went and then modified a piece of regular delta sandpaper and installed the "point" paper from the DX 93. The green circles on the "point" paper are the additional holes I needed to add to the DX 93 paper to provide proper dust extraction. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Looks like they should give you one of the new ones as thanks for inceptioning the idea.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

But Bosch made a serious effort to improve the cooling of their packs, even before tabless arrived. Festool still has the air-insulated packs that inherently limit heat dissipation.

I remember that. It was "Blue Core"? something like that. My brother had them back around 2007?

I wonder why they wouldn't upgrade the 60mm saw to cordless, rather than busting out another revision of the 55. I'm skeptical of the one battery solution -- one of the incredible things about the TSC55 is how the two battery platform matches or even exceeds the power of the corded model, especially near max cutting depth. Perhaps the new battery model is able to make up the difference?

One of the reasons I've stayed away from the cordless Mafell MT55 is because it only operates with a single battery.

That was my first thought too, why 55? I'm not so sure about a single-battery solution either, at least with 18 volt.
My former apprentice has an Milwaukee 18v miter saw. It is a single battery unit and my double-battery Makita is far superior.