Bosch to Compete Against Saw Stop

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It is getting late on in 2015 for a product launch this year. Any one hear other news?

In other news the Elio (three wheeled US car) launch has been delayed another 6 months or so (late 2016). Not looking good there.
 
Thanks for the heads up.

Latest info I've heard is limited availability in early 2016.
 
In just under two weeks we can all crowd around the Bosch booth at the Woodworking Show in Baltimore and ask about the delivery date for the Reaxx.

I think that Sawstop and Bosch should do a cross license agreement. That way Sawstop could get the possibly superior blade retraction mechanism for their larger table saws and Bosch could compete in the portable market without worry about the lawsuit.
 
I'd be curious if the blades retract when they start cutting into a lawyer ... nothing human about them.
 
Kev said:
I'd be curious if the blades retract when they start cutting into a lawyer ... nothing human about them.

That question has already been answered. The guy who made it is lawyer, right?  [wink]
 
Looks like the reviews GTS1041A-09 which is what all the reviews seem to be under. I would assume that Bosch is trying to make the case that the Reaxx is the same high quality saw but with the safety freature added. Give that Bosch appears to have postponed release of the Reaxx saw for at least 6 months, they needed to keep some interest so that potential customers would possible wait the extra time,  Meanwhile those of use who wanted a safe, high quality, movable, fold up saw, have been able to use their Sawstop Jobsite saws for almost a year before the Bosch is available. To me, the Sawstop jobsite was one of the best purchases I have made over the past 2 years with the Domino coming in as a tie. The saw really works well for me in my shop, movable when I need it be, out of the way when I need it to be, accurate cuts, good dust collection with my cycloe, and peace of mind because it's safe. If the Bosch is as good as the Sawstop, it would be great to have competition but, given it was projected at $1500 instead of the Sawstop's $1300, the competition might not be as much of a factor.
 
Alex said:
Kev said:
I'd be curious if the blades retract when they start cutting into a lawyer ... nothing human about them.

That question has already been answered. The guy who made it is lawyer, right?  [wink]
 

What?  You didn't read the manual?  It says very clearly, "When cutting lawyers, engage the lockout switch before feeding the lawyer to the blade.  Be sure to wear proper eye and ear protection.  Lawyers are known to be loud and messy when dismembered." 

[big grin]
 
Sparktrician said:
Alex said:
Kev said:
I'd be curious if the blades retract when they start cutting into a lawyer ... nothing human about them.

That question has already been answered. The guy who made it is lawyer, right?  [wink]
 

What?  You didn't read the manual?  It says very clearly, "When cutting lawyers, engage the lockout switch before feeding the lawyer to the blade.  Be sure to wear proper eye and ear protection.  Lawyers are known to be loud and messy when dismembered." 

[big grin]

Sorry .. I got out of the habit of reading manuals with Festool .. never anything useful.

I see it suggests the same method for politicians [cool]
 
SittingElf said:
Paul G said:
Kev said:
To me the good thing here is that regulators can now intelligently mandate a capability rather than a proprietary product (which has always been my beef in this area).

Frankly I see nothing intelligent about mandating this capability.

Except of course eliminating a large percentage of the estimated $2.6Billion/yr in medical costs for TS accidents...in the USA alone.

Seat Belts are mandated
Shatter-Proof glass is mandated
Hearing protection is mandated
Helmets are mandated (construction)
Etc, Etc....

I DO see the benefits of mandating safety technology...especially for products and conditions that have been clearly identified as being problems. Table saws fit this bill in spades.

Frank

The Sawstop and now the Bosch address physical contact with the blade after all other safety devices fail to protect the user which is one form of table saw accidents. 

Kick back is another form of table saw accident with serious consequence.  It would be interesting to review safety records to see if kick back is the more serious and more common cause of table saw accidents.  It would also be interesting to understand which forms of accidents occur in commercial versus residential use.

Blade guards, riving knives, anti-kickback pawls and other safety devices are also fitted to reduce the likelihood of kick back.

My own person experience is that I had a non-injury kick-back that missed me but never a flesh/blade contact.  This doesn't constitute a study, but I think kick-back has a measure of unpredictability that is terrifying such as when a stress relieved board tries to grab the blade.  Sure the riving knife or splitter can help, but it really depends on how the board splits.

Sliding table saws have a number of features that are unique in comparison to regular table saws that enhance safety.  In addition to the usual guards, sliding table saws allow the user to stand to the side of the saw instead of the front of the saw and thereby reduce the likelihood of serious kickback injury aimed at the user from the waist up.  Sliding saws also allow the user to set-up cuts so that the users hands are no where near the blade.  In addition sliding saws allow the fence to be slid to reduce the likelihood of fence jammed kickback.  Of course, conventional table saws could be retrofitted with this improvement.

For my money, I think that I would rather have a saw that helps me utilize it in an inherently safe manner by keeping me away from the blade and out of the path of most kickbacks.

Sliding table saws tend to be more expensive than conventional table saws but they also offer enhanced capability and productivity as well as keeping me away from the blade.

So there is more than one way to provide safety and stopping the blade only protects against one form of accident involving physical contact with the blade.

I'm saving up for a sliding saw and I would have been pretty angry if the cost of such saws was increased for safety device that while useful is way less useful than getting me a well designed much safer saw than my ancient Rockwell/delta.

 
I found a comment recently that the lawsuit may go to trial sometime this month (May 2016). I have no idea how long this sort of trial lasts. I also do not know how often a settlement is made after a trial starts, but before a decision is rendered.

I still think a settlement would be a smart move for Sawstop. If Bosch loses, they lose a small increment in sales. If Sawstop loses, they lose a possibly significant amount of sales as people either are mad at Sawstop actions or they think the Bosch mechanism is superior.
 
jimbo51 said:
I found a comment recently that the lawsuit may go to trial sometime this month (May 2016). I have no idea how long this sort of trial lasts. I also do not know how often a settlement is made after a trial starts, but before a decision is rendered.

I still think a settlement would be a smart move for Sawstop. If Bosch loses, they lose a small increment in sales. If Sawstop loses, they lose a possibly significant amount of sales as people either are mad at Sawstop actions or they think the Bosch mechanism is superior.

Gass stands for Greed And SawStop. I hope Bosch smash him to bits.
 
We're taking orders for the Reaxx, ships June 1st. A little competition in the marketplace is always healthy for consumers.
 
I didn't like the Saw Stop at all.  For me the Saw Stop's fantastic industrial table saw didn't translate to their portable offering. Its like they made a typical run of the mill table saw, put on the safety protection and think its worth 1500., its not.  IF the Saw Stop didn't have the safety tech its a 350.00 Bench saw, IMHO. I prefer a couple of my DeWalts over it.

From using Bosch's other portable table saws I am betting the Bosch is going to be the better saw, regardless of the safely tech. If  the safety tech does work on this Bosch and it appears it does, I think Saw Stop may just drop their portable saw down the line. Otherwise they are going to have to step up their game.

I hope this Bosch is a great saw and spurs even more competition because we should be getting these saws for about 750.00, even 500.00. Until they sell at a reasonable price I won't buy a safety saw again for myself, but I would for a crew saw. I had one guy cut his finger off and for that reason alone I would get another. At least now I have a choice, good on Bosch.
 
Shane Holland said:
We're taking orders for the Reaxx, ships June 1st. A little competition in the marketplace is always healthy for consumers.

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] I hope you sell a million of them [big grin] [big grin]
 
Shane,

As I believe I have said before, it only takes one injunction to stop the sale of the Reaxx anywhere in the US. If Bosch says you can start selling on June 1, then they must have manufactured a large number of the saws already. They are either confident of a quick win in the lawsuit or they are wiling to do a settlement. Otherwise, they could end up sitting on that inventory for years.

If it does not violate terms of sale, it would be interesting to know if the Reaxx is already in the warehouse or, if not, when the saws do arrive.
 
jimbo51 said:
They are either confident of a quick win in the lawsuit or they are wiling to do a settlement. Otherwise, they could end up sitting on that inventory for years.

Bosch is a company with a $5 billion annual profit.

You can bet they have a strategy for the release of this saw.

And this plays only in North America, that's the only place where SawStop operates. Bosch can sell their saws over the entire world.
 
Bosch had a world wide revenue of 70 billion Euro for all divisions combined  last year and the guy with the  most stock has a 4.6 billion dollar personal fortune. I  know there is talk that out of all that revenue they actually didn't make much profit, still their lawyers would eat Saw Stop for breakfast.

More imporat it appears the technology is completely different. I am sure  Bosch patent lawyers did their due diligence.
 
Dovetail65 said:
I didn't like the Saw Stop at all.  For me the Saw Stop's fantastic industrial table saw didn't translate to their portable offering. Its like they made a typical run of the mill table saw, put on the safety protection and think its worth 1500., its not.  IF the Saw Stop didn't have the safety tech its a 350.00 Bench saw, IMHO. I prefer a couple of my DeWalts over it.

From using Bosch's other portable table saws I am betting the Bosch is going to be the better saw, regardless of the safely tech. If  the safety tech does work on this Bosch and it appears it does, I think Saw Stop may just drop their portable saw down the line. Otherwise they are going to have to step up their game.

I hope this Bosch is a great saw and spurs even more competition because we should be getting these saws for about 750.00, even 500.00. Until they sell at a reasonable price I won't buy a safety saw again for myself, but I would for a crew saw. I had one guy cut his finger off and for that reason alone I would get another. At least now I have a choice, good on Bosch.

I could not agree more on the portable SawStop. I think it was rushed to market the fight of the pending release of the Reaxx. I have the SawStop Professional and it is a very well built saw.
 
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