Building kitchen cabinets. Video series.

[duburban]

I see people use pocket screws over dominoes because as soon as they are screwed in the joint is done. Its a faster process with no glue and instant satisfaction. I've never done face frames with dominoes although i will surely try, but if your face frame is spanning multiple boxes or some distance i'm sure clamping would get complicated.

 

[Wuffles]

Fair point, and makes perfect sense.

 

[Jeff Zanin]

Pocket screws are notorious for allowing the pieces being joined to slip slightly as the screw is driven, I suspect this would be troublesome when attaching face frames.

Sometimes a domino is used to prevent this, otherwise the pieces are clamped temporarily until the first few screws are in place.

It will be interesting to see how Eric builds and attaches his face frames.

Jeff

 

[Wuffles]

Pocket screws are notorious for allowing the pieces being joined to slip slightly as the screw is driven, I suspect this would be troublesome when attaching face frames.

Sometimes a domino is used to prevent this, otherwise the pieces are clamped temporarily until the first few screws are in place.

It will be interesting to see how Eric builds and attaches his face frames.

Jeff

That's what my comment was regarding, the building of the face frames in Part 8. He uses only pocket screws, whereas I would have thought (bearing in mind the input from duburban) dominos would have made more sense.

 

[tbellemare]

Adding part 8 of this series.  This video covers how I cut the Mahogany to make the face frames for the base cabinets.

Well done series. I really like that T shirt.
Tim

Thanks, Tim!

Tom

 

[Jeff Zanin]

Pocket screws are notorious for allowing the pieces being joined to slip slightly as the screw is driven, I suspect this would be troublesome when attaching face frames.

Sometimes a domino is used to prevent this, otherwise the pieces are clamped temporarily until the first few screws are in place.

It will be interesting to see how Eric builds and attaches his face frames.

Jeff

That's what my comment was regarding, the building of the face frames in Part 8. He uses only pocket screws, whereas I would have thought (bearing in mind the input from duburban) dominos would have made more sense.

Watching video 8 he uses various brackets, spacers and clamps as he assembles the face frame with pocket screws, this keeps the pieces from slipping and properly aligned.  I'm not sure the domino would add much to this.

I don't see any clamping when he installs the face frame but I suspect the weight of the cabinet sitting on top of the face frame is enough to keep it from slipping.

Jeff

 

[Wuffles]

Pocket screws are notorious for allowing the pieces being joined to slip slightly as the screw is driven, I suspect this would be troublesome when attaching face frames.

Sometimes a domino is used to prevent this, otherwise the pieces are clamped temporarily until the first few screws are in place.

It will be interesting to see how Eric builds and attaches his face frames.

Jeff

That's what my comment was regarding, the building of the face frames in Part 8. He uses only pocket screws, whereas I would have thought (bearing in mind the input from duburban) dominos would have made more sense.

Watching video 8 he uses various brackets, spacers and clamps as he assembles the face frame with pocket screws, this keeps the pieces from slipping and properly aligned.  I'm not sure the domino would add much to this.

I don't see any clamping when he installs the face frame but I suspect the weight of the cabinet sitting on top of the face frame is enough to keep it from slipping.

Jeff

I think we're talking at cross purposes. I understand what happens in the video, my original question still stands and I think the only person who can answer it is the guy who chose that method. Seems like a lot more effort to do the pocket screws over dominos for the face frames - I'm not suggesting using both if that how it came across. I understand pocket screws for pulling the face frame onto the unit of course.

Happy Christmas.

 

[erock]

OK, up to Part 8 now. Quick question (as a very recent Domino owner), why the pocket holes to join the rails and stiles? Surely that's more effort than using dominos? Especially as you are pocket holing from the back to hold the whole front on anyway?

I figure there's no right or wrong answer, I'm just making sure that if I were to do it myself, I'd be going for dominos and I don't want there to be a wrong way.

I use pocket screws instead of the dominos so I don't have to  clamp and wait for the glue to dry.  With the pocket screws it's instant clamping.  Little glue, couple screws, done and move on.

If I wanted to use only dominos I would have to clamp the face frames together.  I could try to pin or brad  nail the dominos in place from the back side and hope the pin/brads have enough holding power to prevent any movement while it's drying.  I haven't tried anything like that yet. 

You're correct, there is no right or wrong way.  You could use the domino over the pockets screws.  You could use a dowel jig or a biscuit jointer.  Their are a lot of ways to go about it. 

Practice and pick  a method that you're comfortable with and own it. 

Eric

 

[jeep jake]

erock do use a jointer planner ever.

 

[erock]

erock do use a jointer planner ever.

Yeah, if I need to.  I have a DeWalt planner and the Festool HL850 jointer with the bench top unit.  I also have a old Craftsman 6" jointer that lives in my basement and needs a new motor.  It's not worth investing into a new motor for it…..I should pitch it, I've been wanting a new jointer for a long long time.

But I try like heck to avoid needing a planer/jointer….the lumber yard that I buy my lumber from will mill the lumber to the thickness I want for a very reasonable price.  The 210 bf  of Mahogany  that I bought for my moms kitchen only cost me $90 to have it all milled to 19mm.  And I asked for 19mm not 3/4" and they had no problem with it.  I would have spent a lot of weekends milling the lumber myself…..so that $90 was well worth it for me.  They finish it off by running the lumber through a large belt sander hitting it with 180 grit. 

Eric

 

[erock]

Hi guys/girls !

 Check out  Part 11.    In this video I build a drawer box.

I tried the head strap for the GoPro in this video.  I forgot it was on my head….so the action shots are a little hard to watch, IMO……so I tried to keep them short.  So don't worry if you watch it and when you see the head shots….the whole video is NOT shot in this manner.  Still learning the editing side of this new hobby of mine. 



Thanks,
Eric

 

 

[unityroad]

Nice series of vids. I would never have the time it takes to do those. I guess mom does not deserve the solid drawers with dovetails, hidden slids eh?. [eek] Nice job tho.

 

[BarryL]

Erock...your videos become more and more entertaining and educational!   Thank you for taking the time to make them.  Happy holidays to you!

Barry

 

[Stoli]

I love the green tape holding the cloth over the iron -- makes it look like another Festool!

 

[Samo]

I love the green tape holding the cloth over the iron -- makes it look like another Festool!

Gotta use it!  [smile]

It's Frogtape, I bet.

 

[Devildawg91]

Eric, or anyone else

Great videos, I am a newbie and have a couple of questions?

Aren't the dominos and glue strong enough without screws?

I am trying to build shop cabinets and planed on using just dominos on cabinets 48" tall  x 24" wide using 3/4" ply for the top/bottom and sides.

How did/would you hide the screws from view?

Thanks awesome videos

Jason

 

[tiralie]

Aren't the dominos and glue strong enough without screws?

Jason:
Yes, Domino are strong enough without screws. It's difficult to glue prefinished ply so that is why you would use screws instead of glue in that case. If you are using unfinished ply you can use glue.

How did/would you hide the screws from view?

Use the pocket hole plugs, or add a panel over the side to cover the screw holes.

Tim

 

[penetratar]

Superb job. Norm Abram lookout ...

 

[Jeff Zanin]

Eric as the new Norm...  Most excellent.  [smile]

And in some of his videos he mentions adopting Norm's ideas of jigs for various tasks. 

 

[FlobeySolo]

Great videos! I'm a big GoPro geek as well; it's fun to see them used in the shop. Thanks for putting them together and posting your construction.