Cedar Decking by ME and Mate

[jmbfestool]

Fantastic job, JMB! I honestly wouldn't know where to start with something like that!

Looks amazing, though it does look more like a bandstand for a village green rather than a bit of decking in someone's garden! [eek]

lol Band stand!  NOOOOO!  Wait till its finished then we will see if it looks like a bandstand lol

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Looks great!
I have to admit that I couldn't really understand where this was going (still find it difficult to figure out the structure) when I saw the earlier pictures of the base but the structure is starting to look real good.
Those curves are real nice looking, they are worth the extra work.
Tim

Pictures arnt always the best way to see something I suppose.  Yes its extra work lol Everything is extra work with a curve.  Tomorrow we are steam bending the cocking/tilt strip around the bottom of the roof so it hides the T&G and Ply under the shingles give it a nice mould around the rafter ends.  I just thought it would be best to steam bend this bit!  I hope it works lol!  Never done it before nor has my mate so its something new to both of us  its a experiment and a learning curve! lol

 

[jmbfestool]

It's looking really good JMB! [thumbs up]  I've used the 2200 over head before too so I know how you feel with the tired arms.

Cheers!

I was thinking of getting some helium balloons and attach it to the OF2200 lol!

JMB

 

[Brice Burrell]

It's looking really good JMB! [thumbs up]  I've used the 2200 over head before too so I know how you feel with the tired arms.

Cheers!

I was thinking of getting some helium balloons and attach it to the OF2200 lol!

JMB

I like the way you think. [thumbs up] [big grin]

 

[Nigel]

It's looking really good JMB! [thumbs up]  I've used the 2200 over head before too so I know how you feel with the tired arms.

Cheers!

I was thinking of getting some helium balloons and attach it to the OF2200 lol!

JMB

I like the way you think. [thumbs up] [big grin]

But don't let go! [crying]

 

[Brice Burrell]

It's looking really good JMB! [thumbs up]  I've used the 2200 over head before too so I know how you feel with the tired arms.

Cheers!

I was thinking of getting some helium balloons and attach it to the OF2200 lol!

JMB

I like the way you think. [thumbs up] [big grin]

But don't let go! [crying]

Wow, I didn't think of that. [doh] [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

More Progress and also disappointment!    

We thought we had only 2 days this week on the job so we would make the most of it lol!  Day 1-    8 oclock (my mate started earlier) both finished at 10   Day 2-  8 oclock again (again my mate started earlier about 6ish) we stoped working till 4 oclock in the morning!

Umm dont think I wanna be doing that again I had to be at this other job about 8 ish so only had about 2 hours sleep! Couldnt really think straight!

Any way got pictures of the job during the day but at night it was to dark really to take pictures as the lights were getting in the way at night so when I go round next ill take more pictures.
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Disappointment I was lead to believe Cedar was a decent type of material to steam bend!  Well the cocking strip we decided to steam bend because it would of allowed for a more a natural curved flow around the roof because it has two curves going on 1 going around the roof and 2 bending down as it goes around as it would of been to difficult for use to machine timber to have a double curve in it.  Also as an experiment/experience as me and my mate have never steamed bent timber before so we both novice on this!

Well we made a steam box and steamed the timber from 8 in the morning till 5 oclock!   Well look at the pictures you will see it didnt really go to plan!

I was wondering if any one could tell me what we did wrong lol Was the timber just to thick?  We did think it was just we wanted to make sure we had a decent fixing to screw through and also didnt want to be screwing to close to the end of the rafter incase if splitting so thought that was the smallest possible size we could have the timber.

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This was one of the reasons why we worked so late in the morning!  We then had to forget the steam method and cut each piece between every rafter which we both didnt want to do as you end up with short straight pieces!  Second reason why we was so late also was the client wanted use to make a template for the curved seating area and design the hole thing for him which always takes ages with him as he is very picky and wants everything BANG ON and wants as many ideas thrown in.   So we are making the seating area and making the curve table with glass top wooden surround that would be a nice job!

 

[speed]

[eek]wow that roof looks bang on dude, you got some skill

next week " jmb joinery open 24 hours" flashing neon light

 

[jmbfestool]

[eek]wow that roof looks bang on dude, you got some skill

next week " jmb joinery open 24 hours" flashing neon light

Cheers dude!  lol nice Idea attach some  normal lights also to see in the dark!  I had my Van running facing the decking at one point to get some more lighting going lol

JMB

 

[festooldude]

Nice! Very very nice jmb!! Real craftsmanship!!!

 

[jmbfestool]

Nice! Very very nice jmb!! Real craftsmanship!!!

Thank you,  Cant take all the credit me and my mate are both working on it and designing it as we go along.      

Jmb

 

[festooldude]

Well, i think i get what you mean, but i would leave it as it is.. It's just beautifull, and when the roof will
be installed, it will look different again.. If you don't like it then, you
can always make adjustments later!

I like the rounded over detail on the two vertical center struts (dont know
the english word for it) very much. I really wonder how you did it!

Greets

 

[jmbfestool]

Well, i think i get what you mean, but i would leave it as it is.. It's just beautifull, and when the roof will
be installed, it will look different again.. If you don't like it then, you
can always make adjustments later!

I like the rounded over detail on the two vertical center struts (dont know
the english word for it) very much. I really wonder how you did it!

Greets

They arnt finished yet they are having some turned balls fixed to the underside still but still designing them in our heads lol  I think my mate has a nice idea in his head how they might wanna look like so when it comes to it we will draw it up and see if we both like it  get it made and hope the client likes it lol

Just marked the radius on the top of of the post and on all four corners and then on all four sides and then used a belt sander and my Rotex90 to shape them to the pencil lines.

JMB

 

[mattfc]

Superb job JMB, looks beautiful, nice and clean in terms of design, lovely sweeping curves.

Re the steam bending, I am no expert but looks like a bloody thick bit of wood... which I might be technically possible to steam the wood through enough to bend, with something that thick I would have thought you need a male and female former (e.g. especially on the outside edge) as the fibre will still want to go in the direction they have grown in for many years, so will crack out on the outside edge if that makes sense. Still given the thickness without an idustrial press I recond you would be hard pushed without laminating!

Not sure I have seen this in the UK, but in the US you get this bending handrail that is a set of interlocking strips that laminate together and then you glue, bend and clamp. Using half a rail (e.g. you would get two lengths from one rail) could have been an option

http://www.gerberwood.com/bentrail.html

 

[leejakob]

superb job lads looks nice.you said the molding may have been to big for bending, especially two ways, around and also with a roll.
maybe running it over table saw to make small rips say 6mm, then glue and pin back layers with decent glue ( 5min PU ).  Laminating layers.
steaming in smaller sections before laminating together to get original profile would give you a lot more suppleness.

Nice job again, hope your enjoying it.

 

[jonny round boy]

JMB,

Looks awesome!

As for the steam bending, I've never personally done any, but I've seen it done up-close and assisted with clamping the pieces. I can see a few issues straight off:

1. The profile you're trying to bend is wedge-shaped, so it will have a natural tendency to bend in a different plane to what you want;

2. Your steam box isn't insulated. With a long box like that, by the time the steam gets from one end to the other, it won't be steam anymore, just hot water;

3. No timber should need to be steamed for 9 hours! The main idea of the steam is to get the timber hot, not wet;

4. As Matt mentioned, you need firm support for the timber. Ideally a male former, and a flexible steel strap with end stops.

For something like this application, laminating would have been a better idea, and wouldn't have been quite as big a headache as steam bending.

When I was at college, I remember seeing a video on steam-bending, and there was an old B&W clip from the thirties, in a factory where there were 3-4 guys in shirts & waistcoats with a massive press, and they were steam-bending 90 degree bends in massive (I'd guess 12"x8") oak beams! [eek]

I've looked for that clip online, but never found it...

 

[jmbfestool]

Superb job JMB, looks beautiful, nice and clean in terms of design, lovely sweeping curves.

Re the steam bending, I am no expert but looks like a bloody thick bit of wood... which I might be technically possible to steam the wood through enough to bend, with something that thick I would have thought you need a male and female former (e.g. especially on the outside edge) as the fibre will still want to go in the direction they have grown in for many years, so will crack out on the outside edge if that makes sense. Still given the thickness without an idustrial press I recond you would be hard pushed without laminating!

Not sure I have seen this in the UK, but in the US you get this bending handrail that is a set of interlocking strips that laminate together and then you glue, bend and clamp. Using half a rail (e.g. you would get two lengths from one rail) could have been an option

http://www.gerberwood.com/bentrail.html

Thank you!

yeah that is mint I have never seen da and wish I had knwn about them rails thank you.   Im going to look into that see if you can get them in the UK  as they could of been a great help.  We made the hand rails now our selves.     Well to late now! Dam it!  Well on the upside at least we can say we made everything on this job our selves (apart from the turn pieces we are going to have made but we designed still lol)

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

superb job lads looks nice.you said the molding may have been to big for bending, especially two ways, around and also with a roll.
maybe running it over table saw to make small rips say 6mm, then glue and pin back layers with decent glue ( 5min PU ).  Laminating layers.
steaming in smaller sections before laminating together to get original profile would give you a lot more suppleness.

Nice job again, hope your enjoying it.

We did think about laminating but we dont know how to copy the curve and roll?  Im little confused to what your saying  on how to do it to fallow the the roof.   

Yes it is fun I much rather do these type of jobs then hanging doors and doing skirting.  Turned a job down the other day which was doing  a few new builds which was going to be door frames skirting architrave etc  I wanna try and get away from that kinda of work.  Currently have plenty of of nice jobs to avoid doing skirting and architrave's etc  if not I have been offered two jobs in france  2 day.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

JMB,

Looks awesome!

As for the steam bending, I've never personally done any, but I've seen it done up-close and assisted with clamping the pieces. I can see a few issues straight off:

1. The profile you're trying to bend is wedge-shaped, so it will have a natural tendency to bend in a different plane to what you want;
I thought the same thing but then thought cus we steamed it we can still bend it how we wanted (oh how wrong was I lol)
2. Your steam box isn't insulated. With a long box like that, by the time the steam gets from one end to the other, it won't be steam anymore, just hot water;
Oh it was Dam hot in der I stuck  my arm in it and 1 second and I had to pull it out as it kinda hurt.
3. No timber should need to be steamed for 9 hours! The main idea of the steam is to get the timber hot, not wet;
I thought if we do it for that long it would be guaranteed it would bend easily  I was wrong again!
4. As Matt mentioned, you need firm support for the timber. Ideally a male former, and a flexible steel strap with end stops.

For something like this application, laminating would have been a better idea, and wouldn't have been quite as big a headache as steam bending.
Well trying to get the two curves laminating would of been difficult no? Would we not of needed to make a former to the same curves of what we wanted to laminate two for the roof? and this is why we thought it would be difficult to laminate as we did not know what the curves where and so thought steam bending would of been the easiest way. The idea was to run up to the roof fix the middle down onto a rafter and then slowly bend the timber around the rafters and then screw threw to hold it down while it cooles
When I was at college, I remember seeing a video on steam-bending, and there was an old B&W clip from the thirties, in a factory where there were 3-4 guys in shirts & waistcoats with a massive press, and they were steam-bending 90 degree bends in massive (I'd guess 12"x8") oak beams! [eek]

I've looked for that clip online, but never found it...

 

[woodguy7]

JMB, Ive been following this with interest & i have to say I'm impressed.  It is looking stunning & cant wait to see the shingles on the roof.  That's quite some hours you are putting in, i take it you are getting paid by the hour yea ?

Nice work man  [thumbs up]