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Brett,

Think you may find thats a cut knee or crook , These are taken from the to bowl of the tree where the first major  inclusion occurs.

This is stuff you get from a saw mill  that is proccessing trees and has a good sawyer not a timber merchants.

Think you need to do more research before you try to source materials like these. If you dont you will get quotes like you have recieved. If it had of been in Unicorn V Beltane, i could have understood the quote.

Best John
 
windmill man said:
Brett,

Think you may find thats a cut knee or crook , These are taken from the to bowl of the tree where the first major  inclusion occurs.

This is stuff you get from a saw mill  that is proccessing trees and has a good sawyer not a timber merchants.

Think you need to do more research before you try to source materials like these. If you dont you will get quotes like you have recieved. If it had of been in Unicorn V Beltane, i could have understood the quote.

Best John

Forgive my ignorance but what is Unicorn V Beltane?
 
JMB,

If you are going to get some re quotes tomorrow , talk to an older hand at the merchants , the younger guys wont have the depth of knowledge
Just so you know what you are talking about the full classification of the grade is, Unicorn Virgin Beltane Grade. UVBG for short or some times it is reversed and classified as Virgin Unicorn Grade (Beltane),VUG(B)

Let us know how you go on.

Later John
 
James,

That 700mm x 120mm oak, which shoulder were you going to carry it on?  [big grin]

I can't understand how on one hand you claim you really didn't want the job, yet on the other, you're doing all this work to win the bid and after losing it, now trying to get the bid back.

Use the whole thing as a businessman's learning experience for the rest of your career.  Don't make the same mistake more than 4 times, though!  [tongue]

It is a good idea to price your supplies out at more than one place.  You never know.  Even the one you've been using for a while that you have a good relationship with, for some reason might be considerably more money.
 
JMB,

You can always come to America and work for peanuts.  You'll fit in just fine here!  [smile]

You still have plenty of years to go, to be the Frank Lloyd Wright of the carpentry field.  Use them wisely and good luck.  Now as for the church job, just wait till the other guy is finished, go down there at night with a container of super hungry termites and wait a week.  There's your second chance.  [big grin]
 
windmill man said:
Just make sure they are not quoting you  for Unicorn V Beltane Grade

And I thought Unicorn's were the only stuff of girls dreams...

Seriously, I have learned a lot about oak and traditional joinery from this thread.
Tim
 
Evening Brett,

Sounds like you got the typical salesman, "that's wot it sayz ere mate"

I would have been interested to know if you had started to get UVBG down your way ( it must have been UVBG Grade for that quoted price) As its usually only been available in the North West but it might be becoming available further a field. Its lovely stuff but never had a job that warrants it.

Do you want to know a little more about it , then next time you go in , you can put him right about green oak grades? As you said every lesson and every bit of information helps you get better and better. I am sill learning and been in the trade for nearly 30 years.

John
 
Brett, as luck would have it, I talked to a buddy of mine about this variety of oak that Windmill Man is suggesting that you consider using.  He's based here in Virginia close to where I live, but one of his clients was from England and had some amount of the timber shipped over here for Joe to use when building some furniture for them. (I recall it was quite expensive, but that probably was because of the shipping costs and the poor state of the US dollar converted to GBP).  He recalled some interesting working characteristics of the wood, it dulled his shaper knives more quickly than the white oak we have here, but he said it looked beautiful once it was stained.  I could get some more info from him, if that would help you, but it sounds like Windmil Man will be able to help you get things sorted. 

Good luck with this one, if you can snag the contract.
 
Evening Brett,

Sorry for not getting back sooner but had foreigner on this weekend.

Well this thread is getting interesting, I can not believe  Unicorn Oak had made it to Virginia USA. The chap must have long deep pockets to afford it and ship it. It is expensive stuff, that's why I was convinced that you had been quoted for it because of the extraordinary amount.

Well now it`s time to fill you in on Unicorn Virgin Beltane Oak.

There is a lot of history and tradition and mystery surrounding this stuff.

I only know of 3 mills that stock it and two of the mill owners worked for the oldest mill before setting their own up, so they carry on the traditions. I deal with George who is the owner of the StarShake Mill at Eccking, George is now in his 70`s and has forgotten more about timber than most people ever know. He also has an evil sense of humour.

The Mill itself is very "Old School" it has the original Saw Pits that were in use in Victorian times. Before the mill was there, lime kilns and lime pits were on the site and that’s how the area got its name. Google Earth the area it’s just SE of Lancaster , between Rye de Cuel Abbey and Bentham. (The Lime kilns belonged to the Abbey in the Middle Ages) The area is called Eccking Lyrer ( Lyre from the lime connection)
As I have said George is a real old character, he has an unfortunate surname, Boolocks,( make a joke of it at your peril, you will never get best discount or best quality if you do). He is very proud of his name as tells any one that will listen that there has been a Boolocks as sawyer at Starshake for at least 8 generations and that there is talk of Boolocks in the area back to Medieval times.
It’s a shame you can’t come up and meet him. I have told him about you and the job and the Oak and the price. He said he would sort you out in 5 mins. He too says that at that price they are either taking (you can imagine) or it’s Unicorn, but he doubts that, as its rare stuff. I digress
Enough of the history lesson and the old characters of the north back to the timber.
As I said I know of only 3 saw mills that have it and they carry on the traditions so it’s stored in the same way and in the same place in each mill yard. Its store in the East end of the yards between the 16`long  and 2` short pole wood that is  used for making stands. If you came up to see George he would give you a tour of the yard and show you all the old ironmongery that they still keep and all the timber. They still have galvanised steam buckets with lids, bet you can’t get one of those anywhere these days. After the tour he would take you to the unicorn and explain the history and the special way it was harvested etc. (If he liked you he would sell you some, if not you could whistle. George told me he likes to sell to the young uns, the uninformed, the inexperience and the unknowledgeable,  young  uns .He like to give them a hand and teach them some life lessons about timber and business.)  He would tell you that its rare stuff as its only cut out of 3 groves on the side of Longridge pike.  That it is only harvested on the Eve of Beltane. That’s its only cut down by virgins with hand saws and axes and that it can only be felled after the Unicorns had stopped grazing for the evening.  He would the charge you £200 a cube and laugh himself silly as you paid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards John
  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] [poke]
 
any more info on this jmb, did the other company build it or are the church no further forward. wish you got it would of been a nice project
 
sean_hogan said:
any more info on this jmb, did the other company build it or are the church no further forward. wish you got it would of been a nice project

Hey!    Nope nothing I have driven past 2 days ago and nothing has happened so I dont know what they are doing.  I was hoping when I went past it was all finished I would of pulled over and had a look and taken pictures to post on here. So if and when it gets done ill take some pictures and make out I did it!  Joking!  yeah I wish I did get the job would of been nice!! 

Shame!

JMB
 
Yo! 

Well I went past the other day! WELL no wonder why he was so much cheaper!  It was only repaired ill take pictures of the pieces he replaced next time I drive past!

JMB
 
Real craftsmanship isn't appreciated anymore in these days of crisis  [tongue]
In Holland they would repare it with a lump of putty and a bad painter lol  [big grin].
A shame you didn't get the job, it could be a very nice one! 

René
 
Rene89 said:
Real craftsmanship isn't appreciated anymore in these days of crisis  [tongue]
In Holland they would repare it with a lump of putty and a bad painter lol  [big grin].
A shame you didn't get the job, it could be a very nice one!  

René

I thought you guys just repair everything with fingers?  [big grin]

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Hahah LOL,  Like a dutch boys finger in a leaky dyke, that's a good one mate!

This is getting a little off topic...
 
jmbfestool said:
Yo! 

Well I went past the other day! WELL no wonder why he was so much cheaper!  It was only repaired ill take pictures of the pieces he replaced next time I drive past!

JMB

[poke]you drove past yet?
 
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