Consolidated Q&A for CMS Router Table

Tinker. What a learning experience that was, I can't begin to feel the hurt especially to your thumbs and the pressure thatn was being put on by the plate. Big Ouch for sure. Hope you are okay, and back to enjoying your CMS again

Sal
 
A quick search of CMS postings and I can't find anything related to my question so here it is:

Looking at getting the CMS GE Set.  I currently own the OF1400 as my only router.  How quickly can one mount the OF1400 to the base plate to use the router in the table and vice-versa remove it to use the router freely?  If most think it's a bit of a hassle and too time consuming I'll buy the OF1010 to use freely and with my LR32 while I just leave the OF1400 in the table.  If most think it's not a big hassle switching out the OF1400 I'll spend the $395 purchase price of an OF1010 on something else.

Thanks
 
Thanks Shane and Tom.  The video has helped to show that it wouldn't be too big of a deal having just one router, though it still definitely would be convenient leaving the 1400 in the CMS and using a 1010 freely for most tasks.  Decisions, decisions... spend the ~$400 budget on the 1010 OR just get by with my 1400 and pop on the DF500 tenon assortment systainer and a SysLite instead (slightly over budget then with the pair, but I could scrape the difference together).  ???
 
An OF1400 in a CMS is my current setup and it's not a hassle at all putting it in and removing it. It will take you almost as long to change a router bit once it's in the table.
 
Richard Leon said:
An OF1400 in a CMS is my current setup and it's not a hassle at all putting it in and removing it. It will take you almost as long to change a router bit once it's in the table.

Thanks Richard (and Shane & Tom again) - decision made - sticking with my one OF1400 for now and dropping funds on the domino assortment and SysLite.
 
lumbajac said:
Richard Leon said:
An OF1400 in a CMS is my current setup and it's not a hassle at all putting it in and removing it. It will take you almost as long to change a router bit once it's in the table.

Thanks Richard (and Shane & Tom again) - decision made - sticking with my one OF1400 for now and dropping funds on the domino assortment and SysLite.

Ah ha!  you have finally seen the lite! 8)
Tinker
 
Shane Holland said:
Nigel said:
Interesting...in Europe the CMS module kit is the same for OF1400 and OF2200. Perhaps they are holding back the bits specific to the OF2200?

The components for using the OF 2200 will not be included.

Gene Howerton said:
So the question is will the US version have the same exact inserts as the rest of the ones made in Europe

Has something changed? The CMS I picked up yesterday came with the OF2200 inserts and instructions for the inserts with the CMS package.

It looks like one holdup is the switch on the CMS is only rated for 13A/120V. (Also, the parts list shows two versions of the switch for 120volt use which is kind of strange.)

The OF 1010 is listed for 8.5amps/120V.
The OF 1400 is listed for 11.7amps/120V.
The OF 2200 is listed for 15amps/120V.

So Festool can probably only get a UL listing if the switch was changed to one listed for full rating of the OF 2200.

Is the mounting hardware for the OF 2200 different? I tried to locate the European manual to see how to install a OF 2200 on the CMS but could not find it.

YES, YES, YES, I know voids warranty, but if the USA version has exactly the same metal construction of the table/hardware as the European version, it cannot be unsafe (assuming you are not running it through the provided switch.)
And if it is implied that it is unsafe, then it implys that FESTOOL is selling an unsafe tool to the Europeans but not to the US. So common sense says it is just the switch. So just replacing the switch with one that can handle (Jessum?) the load of the OF2200 and actually mounting in a place that is more easily accessible makes sense to me.

I have never been concerned about warranty for anything and have only ever used it for a new car purchase. If a tool fails that only cost $30, I just trash it and get something different. If something that is basically metal that costs $1600 fails and needs warranty service then it time to rethink the purchase.

Rob

 
I needed to route some drip channels in cutting boards I made. Due to the size of the boards, I had to expand the fences, to set the stops for the blind grooves and dados. Wasn't the greatest set up in the world. But I got it done.

So..............................2:30 AM rolls around, you know problem solving time.  [eek]

Having the CMS GE, with the sliding fence, I say to myself, " self- you are such a dumb ***(I'll save the moderators from having to edit the stylized second word), why didn't you just set the travel stops for the sliding table" ??? ??? ??? ??? Do all the long blind grooves, then reset the stops to do the short blind dados.

Again proving, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Tom

 
Tom,

It is all about getting results.  I am anticipating that we will see more interesting tips and tricks in the coming months.

Happy Holidays.

Peter
 
Festool should supply an extra pair of hands for the CMS.  [mad]

I am frantically trying to get some of my Christmas shopping finished TODAY.  Ran into a situation where i needed to move the hold-down fence away from the main fence about 1/4".  Loosened the knob to perform the simple operation, which i have done in trial setups already.  Just a twist of the knob and everthing becomes movable, right? 

Wrong! IN CAPITAL LETTERS along with some very basic words which could get me expelled from the FOG website were I to spell them out. I kept twisting the knob, even tho it was becoming quite lose.  I did not want everything to come apart so i began to investigate.  At the far end of the shaft is a nut that, when the knob is turned, should become lose and allow the hold down to come slide out to its hoped for position.  However, the shaft had frozen to the nut.

I could not get a wrench to slide down over the nut as the nut is buried in plastic.  Sooo  I did the undesired total unscrewing of the knob and put plyers to the screw part of the shaft and managed to turn the shaft lose from the nut.  Great!  I'm in business!

Wrong again.  that herring bone piece of plastic that envelpes the nut and wedges against the sides of the aluminum extrusion to prevent sliding out of place was totally wedged to point where the more i tried to move it, the tighter it became wedged.  I finally got a scrap of wood from the scrap heap and together with a light hammer, some choice words and more patience than I thought i ever had, i finally extricated the entire apparatus. 

Only now, i had a whole lot of loose parts twirling around on the shaft. After playing with the pile for what semed like at least a half hout, i finally looked at my watch and decided it was lunch time.  I will need to go out sanding driveways (prep sanding so i won't have to plow driveways on Christmas day.) now that I have had lunch.  The pile is still sitting on my work bench where it will remain for the rest of the afternoon.  I am not sure how I will get the thing back together as I do not have more than two hands.  Probably set up my portable vice.

I did find out, (much too late) there was a very simple solution to the problem.  For anyone else who might find the same situation f the herringbone thingie, or the end nut, or both, jamming, the long screw that the whole works rides on has a slot on the knob end.  I think I see how to pull the knob apart, but don't know if it will carry on with obstinacity and fail to return to duty.  I also don't know if the herringbone jammer piece will get jammed again.  I had thought, with my original inspection of how things went together/apart that it was rather ingeneous how Festool figered the locking system.  Now, i am not so sure.

Of course, the family is very much used to getting IOU's for Christmas presents.  I had them already printed up, so no big problem there.  It is looking like a busy show plowing and sanding week coming up, starting with Christmas day.  Soooo >>>> at least i will be able to afford he lumber to cover the IOU's.  ::)

Tinker
 
Tinker,

I'd quote your post but......

I'm so confused by your post and have no clue what your talking about------except the last minute "Christmas" shopping of course. I've got 3 of those gifts to finish by the 29th.

Tom
 
Tinker, your post sounds like the way I feel  [mad]  when I don't Read That Fine Manual, as they say in the Navy.  Best of luck getting it all back together.  

 
Shane Holland said:
Mark, nothing has been modified on the CMS for the US/Canada. So, if the other modules are ever UL approved, you're good to go. There is a module for the belt sander, also NAINA.

Yeah, we don't use belt sanders in the U.S.  [poke]
 
Sparktrician said:
Tinker, your post sounds like the way I feel  [mad]  when I don't Read That Fine Manual, as they say in the Navy.  Best of luck getting it all back together.  

Oops. I forgot about this thread. I don't think it was ever posted that the manual had been finished for a long time now.
http://www.waterfront-woods.com/festool/CMS_RouterTable.pdf

I also have a video version of the manual almost finished, but I set it aside to handle a few other deadlines. Festool asked me to make it before Festool started their own version, and then we discovered the two versions were so similar that it didn't seem as important. It is in greater detail, but it may not be worth the cost to finish. We'll have to see what happens.
 
I did get it all back together with the help of an extra pair of hands, my daughter's.
Before putting it back together, I figured the cause of the problem, part of that was my own doing, i think.
Right now, i am sort of recovering from a great day and evening with daughter, son and grandson.My wife & i are taking deep breaths as we review.
I will explain what went wrong along with part numbers so I can be reasonably understood. Sorry about the lack or preciseness as i was ramming a quick lunch down my gullett and getting ready to go out sanding driveways.  That is the sort of thing that makes it possible to get into trouble with my Festoys. No sno plowing and/or sanding and i don't go to Festoy.

As I read back on my last post, i realized I sounded a bit out of sorts.  Not really as frustrated as i appeared.  just in a big hurry.
Tinker

Tinker said:
Festool should supply an extra pair of hands for the CMS.  [mad]

I am frantically trying to get some of my Christmas shopping finished TODAY.  Ran into a situation where i needed to move the hold-down fence away from the main fence about 1/4".  Loosened the knob to perform the simple operation, which i have done in trial setups already.  Just a twist of the knob and everthing becomes movable, right? 

Wrong! IN CAPITAL LETTERS along with some very basic words which could get me expelled from the FOG website were I to spell them out. I kept twisting the knob, even tho it was becoming quite lose.  I did not want everything to come apart so i began to investigate.  At the far end of the shaft is a nut that, when the knob is turned, should become lose and allow the hold down to come slide out to its hoped for position.  However, the shaft had frozen to the nut.

I could not get a wrench to slide down over the nut as the nut is buried in plastic.  Sooo  I did the undesired total unscrewing of the knob and put plyers to the screw part of the shaft and managed to turn the shaft lose from the nut.  Great!  I'm in business!

Wrong again.  that herring bone piece of plastic that envelpes the nut and wedges against the sides of the aluminum extrusion to prevent sliding out of place was totally wedged to point where the more i tried to move it, the tighter it became wedged.  I finally got a scrap of wood from the scrap heap and together with a light hammer, some choice words and more patience than I thought i ever had, i finally extricated the entire apparatus. 

Only now, i had a whole lot of loose parts twirling around on the shaft. After playing with the pile for what semed like at least a half hout, i finally looked at my watch and decided it was lunch time.  I will need to go out sanding driveways (prep sanding so i won't have to plow driveways on Christmas day.) now that I have had lunch.  The pile is still sitting on my work bench where it will remain for the rest of the afternoon.  I am not sure how I will get the thing back together as I do not have more than two hands.  Probably set up my portable vice.

I did find out, (much too late) there was a very simple solution to the problem.  For anyone else who might find the same situation f the herringbone thingie, or the end nut, or both, jamming, the long screw that the whole works rides on has a slot on the knob end.  I think I see how to pull the knob apart, but don't know if it will carry on with obstinacity and fail to return to duty.  I also don't know if the herringbone jammer piece will get jammed again.  I had thought, with my original inspection of how things went together/apart that it was rather ingeneous how Festool figered the locking system.  Now, i am not so sure.

Of course, the family is very much used to getting IOU's for Christmas presents.  I had them already printed up, so no big problem there.  It is looking like a busy show plowing and sanding week coming up, starting with Christmas day.  Soooo >>>> at least i will be able to afford he lumber to cover the IOU's.  ::)

Tinker
 
HI there,
    I'm thinking about getting the cms router table but have a couple of questions.  First, is it better to wait and see if there are improvements after the first version?  Second, it sounds like there are some additional things with the model available in Europe, are those likely to come to USA?  So basically, would you go ahead and get the router table now or wait a few months?
Thanks very much for any feedback,
Nick
 
I recieved mine the first day it could be delivered. No reason to wait. The only decesion you need to make is what model and accessories.

Tom
 
Hey, Nick. Thanks for the questions. The CMS is actually not the first version, the Basis was (I believe). No plans for a new version in the foreseeable future. Also, no plans for other modules in the US/Canada right now. We wouldn't introduce it in the US/Canada in Sept. 2012 and then have a new model any time soon, we would have just waited had that been the case.

So, in essence, no reason to wait.

Shane
 
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