Cordless sanders 18v available September 1st 2017

[Phil Beckley]

Hi
Below is the link the ETSC, DTSC and RTSC - cordless 18 v sanders. Please post any technical questions for the sanders here and I will get back to you  [smile]
https://www.festool.co.uk/campaigns/landing-page/cordless-compact-sander

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Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi
So as an overview
ETS
DTS
RTS
EC-TEC motor
25minute charge on TCL6
30 minute run time
Adaptor for working with 240/230v
Battery is 'ergo' 3.1
No need for airstream as the pull on the battery is consistent
Dust collection via a bag or CT extractor
6-10,000 rpm
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[Shane Holland]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member], thanks for the post and info. There was a question about compatibility with the SCA 8 charger. I see no technical reason it shouldn't work with the new battery. Can you confirm?

 

[live4ever]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders? 

 

[Shane Holland]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders?

UK website says it comes in a standard T-LOC SYS 2.

 

[live4ever]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders?

UK website says it comes in a standard T-LOC SYS 2.

Thanks Shane.  Too bad...if the combi's came standard it would be a really nice perk. 

 

[Phil Beckley]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member], thanks for the post and info. There was a question about compatibility with the SCA 8 charger. I see no technical reason it shouldn't work with the new battery. Can you confirm?

....ergo is compatible with the TCL3, TCL6.....and the SCA 8 Airstream charger the TCL6 and the SCA 8 charger the 3.1 at 5ah....electronic controls this status
rg
Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders?

....Basic and Plus is Sys 2.....the Set version comes with the adaptor so is the Combi systainer  [smile].....(I like this version  [cool])
rg
Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders?

UK website says it comes in a standard T-LOC SYS 2.

....sys 2 for the Basic and Plus - Set version is the Combi  [cool]

 

[live4ever]

Thanks for the info!  But what caught my eye is the sys-combi in the photo.  Is it going to be standard equipment with the new sanders?

UK website says it comes in a standard T-LOC SYS 2.

....sys 2 for the Basic and Plus - Set version is the Combi  [cool]

Ah gotcha!  So for 100 GBP on top of the Plus you get the power adapter and upgrade to the combi.  Glad they're incorporating the combi...such an evolution over the standard T-loc for a lot of tools.

 

[joiner1970]

The plug it power adapter is a good idea. I've often thought why don't cordless tools come with an adapter to run off mains when power is available.

 

[chewy]

The plug it power adapter is a good idea. I've often thought why don't cordless tools come with an adapter to run off mains when power is available.

More money to be made selling batteries I guess [emoji1]

 

[joiner1970]

The plug it power adapter is a good idea. I've often thought why don't cordless tools come with an adapter to run off mains when power is available.

More money to be made selling batteries I guess [emoji1]

Must admit though these days some battery power tools are so good you don't really need mains power.

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[chewy]

The plug it power adapter is a good idea. I've often thought why don't cordless tools come with an adapter to run off mains when power is available.

More money to be made selling batteries I guess [emoji1]

Must admit though these days some battery power tools are so good you don't really need mains power.

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I agree. If only they made the batteries able to last as long as corded power tools

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[Dan1210]

I saw these this morning but why dont they use the same 18v batteries as the other tools??? I actually would have bought one had it used the current 18v platform, the decision to go with a new battery seems bonkers to me.

 

[Bob D.]

I think it's because the shape of current 18V batteries does not
lend itself well to use on a sander.

Trying to design a sander around the physical limitations of the
current 18V battery to me is wrong. No doubt they considered
or evaluated IF it were possible but apparently not.

 

[glass1]

Why new battery shape ?  Because Festool came out with the ac adapter, so if it's the same battery than the ac adapter would work on all/many of the cordless tools which could potentially cause a huge marketing problem and production problem as corded sales would plummet and cordless would skyrocket. Now Festool can slowly under control release ac adapters for the other tools.

 

[PeterK]

Looks like the start of competition for Makita with their massive tool collection using identical batteries. That is if Festool sells the sanders as tool only items.

I would love the delta sander and ETS in battery version for indoor paint prep. I always power sand the existing painted walls to remove bumps and to give better adhesion for the new paint - also to sand patched repairs. This will require a well working bagged dust collection as the paint dust can be somewhat harmful. Currently I use my CT Midi but working on large vertical surfaces with the hose and power cord dangling gets to be a real pain quickly. Looking forward to this new sander!

The more I think about it I would use a battery sander a LOT. So often in a project I need to sand a small area as touch up, sand edges on a box, many other uses and it would be so convenient to just pick up a sander and do that without having to disconnect some other tool from my CT.

EVERYTHING is contingent on how well the dust collection functions using just the attached dust bag. This will make or break these tools.

 

[Rip Van Winkle]

The plug it power adapter is a good idea. I've often thought why don't cordless tools come with an adapter to run off mains when power is available.

Power adapters to convert one voltage to another need to be amperage rated.

Iphones for instance don't draw a lot of power, so the the plug in mains usb power adapter can be very small, about one inch square.

A macbook on the other hand uses much more power, and has a much larger battery so the mains power adapter is about 6 times the size and weight.

Most power tools have a much higher power draw than either an Iphone or Macbook. Power tools also vary greatly in the power draw depending on the type of power tool. I have an older cordless Milwaukee jigsaw. On one 12v 2.4 amp hour battery, the jigsaw will run continuously no load for about 35 minutes. The cordless Milwaukee Hatchet Sawzall I have uses 18v batteries, but will only run for about 5 or 6 minutes using a 2.4 amp hour battery made with the same battery cells. The Sawzall seems to draw about six times the amperage of the jigsaw.

Festool might have been able to produce an corded adapter for the new cordless sanders due to the relatively low amperage the sanders draw compared to other tools. The corded version of the 5" random orbit sander draws about 2 or 2.5 amps, which is one of the lower wattage ratings for any of the Festool tools.

It should also be mentioned that corded adapters have been made so that cordless tools could be run on mains power. One was sold by Greenlee for Makita cordless 18v tools. It apparently worked OK for low draw tools, but higher draw tools, like reciprocating and circular saws, would not run using it.

 

[glass1]

Depends where one puts the inverter at the battery or at the base of the cord. That gets me thinking, dewalt has a power station that works on 4 batteries but supplies 120 volt out at 15 amps. How about portable multi voltage power inverter. It could be battery or mains powered with mult voltage out plugs like 2 18 volt outs, 60 volts out and 120 out all dc not ac out. Lightweight battery plugs could be used with cords when power is needed and if working alone multiple tools could be powered off a bank of batteries making draw more efficient.