Festool Grinder AGC 18v (Europe)

[AlexThePalex]

[member=1146]Brice Burrell[/member]

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size. 

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

 

[AlexThePalex]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]

It will. It's just a standard sized attachment for the 43 mm necks all 115 & 125 mm grinders here in Europe use.

Thanks for that [member=5277]Alex[/member] ...I then may need to purchase one for some porcelain tile installation.

Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

 

[Brice Burrell]

[member=1146]Brice Burrell[/member]

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size. 

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

Thanks for taking the time to check into this Alex. [thumbs up]

 

[greg mann]

[member=1146]Brice Burrell[/member]

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size. 

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

[member=5277]Alex[/member]

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]
Be adviced that I initially said 43 mm collar size, it should be 50 mm, sorry for that.

[member=5277]Alex[/member] , thanks a ton for chasing down this information.  [big grin]  Knowing that the AGC 18 will fit in the DCC AG 125 housing/sled is a big deal for me.  [smile]

 

[xedos]

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.

You're right from a theoretical standpoint. 

However, I doubt Festool thinks they are going to capture much of the "grinder" market.  They'll pitch these as a specialized tool to a niche contractor and the faithful.  Festool will supply all the necessary blades, pads and discs this thing will need just like they do with their sanders and 160mm TS55 saw.

The fact you're somewhat beholden to them for accessories and consumables is what they've set out to accomplish.  Amazon will be happy to deliver you a lot of M14 grinder accessories.  They aren't that difficult to source.

 

[Cheese]

[member=5277]Alex[/member]

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters.

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.  [cool]
https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tool...n=2067333&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=sas

 

[xedos]

Cheese - I'm just not sure I'd trust that matrix.

No USA owners manual is available online, Festool USA website is mum on the arbor size, ACME doesn't even have one in stock.  The accessories show a keyless nut saying it's 5/8"  yet it's clearly stamped M14.

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

 

[greg mann]

I am not personally fretting about 14mm versus 5/8. I have an ras115 already and am aware that festool used to have a pretty neat accessory line for it in Europe. It is possible some of that may be resurrected with the intro of this tool. Also, I find festool’s perishable offerings very satisfactory  from a price perspective as well as comprehensive. Being ‘locked in’ is not an issue for me but a 14mm will probably be bemoaned as nauseum similarly to centrotec.

Remember where you first read that.  [big grin]

 

[PeterJJames13]

I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.

 

[xedos]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if Festool is producing these in house?

Or, have they partnered with someone as with the vecturo ?

 

[AlexThePalex]

It has been stated the arbor thread size is 14mm, like the ras115. Is that the Euro standard for angle grinders? Here in NA it is 5/8 inch with either 5/8 or 7/8 pilot diameters. If this is indeed the case I think it will have a negative impact on acceptance of this tool this side of the pond.

A 14 mm arbor is indeed the standard for grinders here. As for acceptance in the USA, Festool's marketing department will have probably had some good brainstorms about that before launging the tool. But face it, if the USA wants international products, they're sooner or later gonna have to face the fact they can't be the last 5% who use imperial while the other 95% of the world uses metric.

Greg the AGC 15 utilizes a 5/8" diameter arbor.  [cool]

I would not put my trust in a single website. For the shaft of the AGC 18, EKAT gives the exact same part number 10202093 for European models as for the American model, so it is the same part, and you can be very sure the size of the arbor is M14 over here and not 5/8th.

Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

 

[Brice Burrell]

[member=1146]Brice Burrell[/member]

Well Brice, I had a look at it in the store today and talked about all the options with the store manager, and I can safely say now the hood will fit any grinder with a 50 mm collar, no problem.

We also compared the Festool grinder in it with other German models by Bosch and Metabo and Flex, they all had more or less the same dimensions and the same collar size. 

Only DeWalt, American brand, had to be the odd one out, their grinders now had 43 mm collars. The old ones had 50 mm collars, but apparently DeWalt didn't like that anymore.

The direction of the disc's rotation of the Festool grinder was also the same as all others, standard clockwise.

I just checked my Metabo grinder (with 50mm collar) and it wouldn't mount in a Protool version of the DCC-AG 125.  It wasn't so much the diameter of the collar, but there wasn't enough collar depth, and lack of indexing pins to make a connection to the DCC-AG 125.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Another data point, all Metabo 18v drills have chuck spindles that are threaded 1/2”-20tpi

 

[xedos]

Quote from: xedos on Yesterday at 08:12 PM

    Could be the artwork wasn't ready yet, but it's more likely that Festool is playing fast and loose with nomenclature.  It'd be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes beside graphics.

Yes, it would be totally out of character for them to offer anything in SAE sizes, but it is a bit negative to say Festool would be playing fast and loose with nomenclature. More likely the author of the website filled in a missing value himself, not knowing there might be a difference.

Neither a negative or a positive.  I'm referring to how Festool all of a sudden has SAE scale tools now in the USA , yet the adjustments themselves still remain in millimeters. Festool's own USA site that lists the Keyless Flange Nut QRN-AGC 18 as 5/8" and shows the picture of it with M14 clearly marked on it. 

A re-seller that has an error like this on their page for an unreleased tool is understandable. The manufacturer's ???  I'd liken it to the TS55 stating it has a 3/4" arbor on Festool's website when it launched.

Of course , I've got copious amounts of egg on my face if these things really do show up with 5/8"-11 arbors.  I'm pretty sure adapters already exist for converting M14 to  5/8"-11.

 

[Cheese]

I just picked one up. 99.9% sure it's 5/8"-11. I can check tomorrow am if you'd like.

Hey [member=68391]PeterJJames13[/member] , did you have a chance to check the grinder yesterday? And if it is a 5/8"-11 arbor, does it also have M14 laser engraved on the flange nut?

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[PeterJJames13]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] nobody seemed to take me up on the offer, but I'll check tonight/tomorrow and report back. I'm pretty sure it's 5/8"-11. Would be weird if they engraved M14 on there lol. I'll find out.

Thanks Peter...

I'm curious because while the Festool Operators Manual stipulates a M14 spindle, the distributors below offer a different spin and they had to get this information from somewhere.  [smile]

ACME: "Arbor Size (in) 5/8"

Highland Hardware: "It accepts 4-1/2" & 5" cutting and grinding wheels for 5/8" arbor. The wheels mount and change easily with the Keyless Flange Nut."

Toolnut: "Accepts any brand of 4-1/2" diameter discs with standard 5/8" arbor"

Woodcraft: "Spindle thread/flange: 5/8"

 

[PeterJJames13]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] - I'll check it out tonight/tomorrow am and report back. If the flanges will fit on a DeWalt grinder, we'll know for sure it's a 5/8"-11.....

 

[ScotF]

I thought it was 5/8 in North America. I believe you can get the toolless nut to work with any grinder with a 5/8 inch arbor.