CS 70 or wait for Festool with sawstop?

[jeh]

There really is no choice. Wait for the Festool SawStop or wait for Erika to implement a similar solution. I had a 20+ year run without an accident. It ended in a flash with a simple cut of some narrow stock. Luckily I had purchased my SawStop 6 years earlier after selling off my Delta Cabinet Saw. What would have been my thumb at a minimum, was only a groove the thickness of a quarter and just about 1/8" deep. Healed up completely with no scar.

For those who say they don't need it because they are careful are only lying to themselves. Many will get lucky and never have an incident, but there are plenty who do and it is life altering and possibly career ending. You can't really gamble when you are already down a finger can you?

For those who complain about the damage to the blade and single use brake are not thinking clearly as losing a blade and a brake are irrelevant when you still have your digit(s). It is also a reminder that no one is perfect.

Get the Festool SawStop product, stay vigilant and never give it another moments thought.

 

[threesixright]

In Germany the TKS 80 will set you back around € 1870 for the base config and € 3100 for the full Set. These prices include VAT (21% I think).
In USD that is $ 2081 and $ 3450. Mind you: these are not Festool’s RRP’s, but *real* prices from a solid retailer I often use.

RRP: Recommended Retail Price

If you monitor the prices you can get even a chunk of for the set. I paid way less then the 3100 EUR.  More at the ~ 2700 (or lower [big grin]).

Only think shipping outside EU would be expensive, considering the weight.

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[Jiggy Joiner]

[member=66123]shu[/member] Yes mate, they are priced to make the jaw drop.
As much as I love the Erika, I’ve always thought them over priced, by a fair bit too.

They are a fine piece of kit, German design, tech and build, the quality is superb but, even taking that into account, still steep price tags. Over here the 85CE, standard is around £2,800 and then the packages get into more serious money, with a sliding table £3,200 but the sliding table alone is about £540.

Late last year I decided to buy one, when I got to the store, they were still selling the previous model, same money, and hadn’t heard of the latest model until the made a phone call.
This saw will be for my own personal use, and not for the company.
Anyway, it’s on hold right now, as my wife needed many Kitchenaid upgrades, and a good chunk of the money went on that.
I have the itch again now, but still struggling to accept the value for money thing, or lack of it 

 

[FestitaMakool]

I just noticed, there’s a campaign, at least here locally on the Erika 60E.
Just £1000 or $1230... that’s below Presicio CS 50.
One might check dealers if this is a wider (ww) campaign from Mafell.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

[member=66123]shu[/member] just wanted to correct my earlier statement regarding dado cutting.
Yes the Erika does cut dado’s but with the single blade method, it won’t take a dado stack though.

In fact, it will cut dado’s on a smaller workpiece, safer than a conventional saw  [thumbs up]

 

[justinmcf]

Hi shu.

Thanks for the link.
That's the whole set. Model no. 575829

The basic saw should be a lot cheaper. Model no. 575784

I would still 100% recommend the Festool with the Sawstop technology.

Justin

 

[Gregor]

Get the Festool with Sawstop technology. I believe the model number is Festool TKS 80.

Do you refer to unit only cost? Sydney tools pre order price is over 5K.

You have 230V/50Hz in Australia, buying an European EBS-Set version in Germany would cost

 

[Gregor]

This saw will be for my own personal use, and not for the company.
Anyway, it’s on hold right now, as my wife needed many Kitchenaid upgrades, and a good chunk of the money went on that.
I have the itch again now, but still struggling to accept the value for money thing, or lack of it 

Ask your wive if she likes you with all your fingers ?

 

[DeformedTree]

This saw will be for my own personal use, and not for the company.
Anyway, it’s on hold right now, as my wife needed many Kitchenaid upgrades, and a good chunk of the money went on that.
I have the itch again now, but still struggling to accept the value for money thing, or lack of it 

Ask your wive if she likes you with all your fingers ?

Saw Stop Blender?  Saw Stop Stand Mixer,  there are future markets here.

 

[FestitaMakool]

WoodSpezi is out with a walk trough on the TKS 80 and some additional comparison with CS 50.
Recommended for those interested in the TKS 80.
=share

 

[DeformedTree]

No idea what he is saying, yet at the same time I feel like I fully understood.  Of course a lot of it would make for a "bad translation" video.

Good over view, also good to see differences from the CS70.  Kinda surprised how many differences there are.

Still curious why they have a hand turned knob, but then you still need a screw driver for the second screw to get access to the guts.  The insert plate that you have to push a thing to get it to pop just looks like something asking for trouble when it fills with crud.  The tilt mechanism looks a bit questionable.

The saw looks nice and built well in some aspects, other areas looks cheap.

 

[FestitaMakool]

No idea what he is saying, yet at the same time I feel like I fully understood.  Of course a lot of it would make for a "bad translation" video.

Good over view, also good to see differences from the CS70.  Kinda surprised how many differences there are.

Still curious why they have a hand turned knob, but then you still need a screw driver for the second screw to get access to the guts.  The insert plate that you have to push a thing to get it to pop just looks like something asking for trouble when it fills with crud.  The tilt mechanism looks a bit questionable.

The saw looks nice and built well in some aspects, other areas looks cheap.

Thought so myself, as my German is very poor, he may speak in a regional dialect that is easier to follow, I could almost follow everything he talked about. I would love more Germans speaking english in videos though

Yes, me too think that there are some details on the saw that seems odd, also the way they use these little plastic brackets to secure the sliding table. And not seen here, the “support legs” when using extension tables, fiddly.

 

[Gregor]

I would love more Germans speaking english in videos though

But why? It is horrible...

the way they use these little plastic brackets to secure the sliding table.

The plastic thingies are just to hold some nuts in position, looks OK to me. Also as of my experience with the CMS-TS slider (which looks basically identical)... these don't have to carry load.

And not seen here, the “support legs” when using extension tables, fiddly.

In the official Festool video they seem to work OK, also some additional uses:
=2135

 

[bertv]

the way they use these little plastic brackets to secure the sliding table.

The plastic thingies are just to hold some nuts in position, looks OK to me. Also as of my experience with the CMS-TS slider (which looks basically identical)... these don't have to carry load.

The slider-assembly is the same as the CS70 (VL) one. He says so in the video.

 

[shu]

There really is no choice. Wait for the Festool SawStop or wait for Erika to implement a similar solution. I had a 20+ year run without an accident. It ended in a flash with a simple cut of some narrow stock. Luckily I had purchased my SawStop 6 years earlier after selling off my Delta Cabinet Saw. What would have been my thumb at a minimum, was only a groove the thickness of a quarter and just about 1/8" deep. Healed up completely with no scar.

For those who say they don't need it because they are careful are only lying to themselves. Many will get lucky and never have an incident, but there are plenty who do and it is life altering and possibly career ending. You can't really gamble when you are already down a finger can you?

For those who complain about the damage to the blade and single use brake are not thinking clearly as losing a blade and a brake are irrelevant when you still have your digit(s). It is also a reminder that no one is perfect.

Get the Festool SawStop product, stay vigilant and never give it another moments thought.

Agreed. It’s the pull function of Ca 70/50 that make it less risky but the risk is still there, especially when it is used as a standard table saw.

 

[shu]

[member=66123]shu[/member] just wanted to correct my earlier statement regarding dado cutting.
Yes the Erika does cut dado’s but with the single blade method, it won’t take a dado stack though.

In fact, it will cut dado’s on a smaller workpiece, safer than a conventional saw  [thumbs up]

Thanks for letting me know.

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[shu]

Get the Festool with Sawstop technology. I believe the model number is Festool TKS 80.

Do you refer to unit only cost? Sydney tools pre order price is over 5K.

You have 230V/50Hz in Australia, buying an European EBS-Set version in Germany would cost

 

[AlexThePalex]

Do I need to repair it myself though, if it get Broken? I own a few German lenses for photography and the repairing is...

I don't know if you'll get warranty that way, but for their usual fee Festool Australias' repair service will probably help you.

Anyhoo, repairing Festools is nowhere near as difficult as repairing photo equipment.

 

[shu]

Thanks Alex. Can anyone please tell me the relationship of Mafell, Festool and Protool?

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[bertv]

Protool was a subsidiary of TTS and thus a sister company to Festool. Production facilities in Czech Republic. Has been folded into the Festool brand, with some of the products rebranded as FS and others discontinued. Narex is another sub of TTS, btw.

Mafell is a family owned business, that has arrangements with other OEMs with crossover of a few products (eg they produce for others and rebrand others’ stuff as Mafell), but is completely independent from Festool.