Dust Deputy On Systainer

Tom Gensmer said:
...... Did you have to reinforce the lid at all? Can you provide some more close-up shots of what you did? Thanks so much for the clever work and sharing with us!
Tom
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Hi Tom,
In regards to the lid; I cut a piece of hardboard to fit, sprayed the lid with expanding foam put the hardboard on and clamped the whole mess overnight. trimmed of the squeeze out with a razor blade. Marked & drilled the 3 inch hole & the mounting holes. The DD comes with a rubber gasket which goes between the DD & the top of the systainer.

If I were to do another, I think I would get some of that dense insulation board that's covered with foil, press it on the lid & then slit it with a knife where the ribs in the lid mark the foil. I think you could then press it into the lid and cover it with hardboard or whatever if you needed to. I think this would be easier to do and just as or even more effective.

The liner is just some scraps of ply I had in the bin with some foam tape along the top edge to seal against the hardboard in the lid.

The lid MUST seal against the hardboard so no air can be sucked in outside of the liner or it won't work properly (and you may break the systainer)

When I can get back to the shop I'll try to remember to take some more photos, maybe this weekend if I'm lucky.

Scott W.
 
Nickao, is there a link for that boat piece?  Once Sys 5 is fabricated to work properly, can you fit DD or clear vue into it for transport?  I've been waiting to do this for awhile and that would be the clincher, to be able to take off site safely and easily.  Am I right in thinking that the DD would hold up better over time?

 
Scott W knows way more about the DD then me.

I am not sure exactly how I am going to use the twist lock set up. You can wait until I give it a try or go for it. There are several sizes,colors, etc.

The ClearVue is not going to fit in a systainer without some modification, which will be tough the way it is made.

Nickao

Twist n lock 4" Deck Cap

I am not sure this is the best one yet. I ordered a few different ones through a friend so I can determine the best one to use, but it looks good.


ADD* I am confident now that the Dust Deputy is a much more durable unit than the ClearVue. I am not yet satisfied that it works better. After I have both side by side I will do some testing.
 
Hi,

  I am not sure that I have read every bit of every post on this thread so if this has already been pointed out, sorry.

                  The DD ( Dust Deputy), as opposed to dd ( dirtydeeds ) :),  looks small enough that the related hose (s) could go in the systainer - V along with it for transport. Also you may need to empty the dust before leaving the site (sometimes?) in order to repack the DD into the systainer. If going with the idea of building the DD into an additional systainer to latch on top of the "dust bin"- perhaps a protruding short pipe from the bottom of the DD could just be pushed through a tight rubber gasket in the top of the dust bin to quickly make the connection. The two systainer method would allow for more accessory storage (hoses, cleaning tools , etc) than the single.
        Would the fact that the DD is metal prevent the AS feature of the hoses from being broken?  If so that is one more point for it over the ClearVu.

Seth
 
And here I thought my pre April 1st rush was over...  Now, I've been looking at these two cyclones for the last 1-1/2 years, and this thread has now proved to be the last straw.  So, today I ordered the ClearVue and placed yet another Festool order that includes a Systainer 5 so I too can go this route.  Thanks so much for sticking to your guns, and producing a slick setup for the cyclone/CT combination.

Only one little problem I encountered with all of this...  After making the formentioned Festool order, I remembered how I had tried fitting my router and lift into a Systainer 4 some time ago.  It fit fine, but that required that the unit was in the raised position.  Thinking about a Systainer 5 for the cyclone reminded me of this, so I couldn't help myself and made that additional call.  Soon, that router and lift will have a new home when not otherwise in use.  Almost glad the 1st has finally come  ;)
 
Note to Everyone,
Festeringtool has a partial ban on his account as of this morning.  He is allowed to browse and read posts, but cannot post himself.
Now we can get back to the subject at hand.
Matthew
 
Well, it seems I missed all the hoha... To get some what back on topic, if I may. I need to get dust off of my Bosch table saw and collected. DD has tons of hoses. Bosch is 2-1/4 exit, is the DD the way to go? and if any one in Canada is it worth the duties?
 
Texas,

You only pay GST & PST bringing it back. If you don't want to import yourself, Welbeck Sawmill up in Durham carries them. Oneida has a flat rate of $12.00 IIRC for shipping the DIY model to Canada. Best part is they use USPS.

Jim
 
Scott W.,

I puchased the DD complete with metal drum, and use it in combination with my CT 22 (or Fein Turbo II) vacuum.  If you did, too, have you done any comparison testing between your "SysCan" and the cylindrical metal drum that Oneida supplies with the DD complete?  Have you experienced chips /small chunks of wood continuing to swirl / clang around the cyclone rather than dropping into the collection reservoir - the Systainer in your setup?  This seems to happen at times on mine.  The solution is simple - cut the vaccum for a short time and the pieces fall into the collector.  Collection of sawdust and sanding dust is very good.  I have never tried a test to see what percentage of the wood debris is collected into the drum of my setup.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
Scott W.,

I puchased the DD complete with metal drum, and use it in combination with my CT 22 (or Fein Turbo II) vacuum.  If you did, too, have you done any comparison testing between your "SysCan" and the cylindrical metal drum that Oneida supplies with the DD complete?  Have you experienced chips /small chunks of wood continuing to swirl / clang around the cyclone rather than dropping into the collection reservoir - the Systainer in your setup?  This seems to happen at times on mine.  The solution is simple - cut the vaccum for a short time and the pieces fall into the collector.  Collection of sawdust and sanding dust is very good.  I have never tried a test to see what percentage of the wood debris is collected into the drum of my setup.

Dave R.
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Hi Dave,

I just purchased the DIY kit, no drum. Yes, sometimes the chips clang around in there. My big DC does the same thing only much longer. I have a very large whole shop system from OA (photos here).
I got the DD specifically for use with the ct22 in the shop. I would be interested in knowing how efficient it is with the drum. I would be willing to bet it will be better the deeper the container is. Mine is approaching 90% with the systainer V still a significant difference in what goes into the bag.

Scott
 
Scott W.,

I also have Oneida's 2.5 HP portable (roll about, it weighs nearly 400 lb) twin cyclone, but I have not noticed the chips clanking around within its cyclones.

OK, I guess you cannot run a comparison test regarding the percentage collected by the DD/Systainer and DD/factory drum.  How confident are you that the Systainer collector is fully sealed when closed?  According to the instructions that came with my large unit, air tight sealing is very important to achieve full function.  With the DD Complete, the metal lid of the collector drum is securely sealed and clamped onto the drum.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
.....  How confident are you that the Systainer collector is fully sealed when closed?  According to the instructions that came with my large unit, air tight sealing is very important to achieve full function.  With the DD Complete, the metal lid of the collector drum is securely sealed and clamped onto the drum.

Dave R.
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Good question, It seals with foam wether strip type tape between the plywood insert and the hardboard I attached to the top. It does not seem to "pull in" on the sides of the systainer nor can I feel any air movement around the seam between the top and sides of the systainer. That said, does it leak? probably a little  ;)

I slapped the thing together in about 30 mins. not counting the overnight dry time of the foam insulation I put in the top. I'm sure it can be improved, but it works pretty well so far.

On my large system I got tired of emptying the two 55 gal. drums all the time so I built a large plywood box (on wheels). When it gets full I roll it out of the shop, pick it up with a fork lift and dump the contents in the dumpster. :) It is about 7 ft long, 4 ft wide and close to 4 ft tall. The lid is a sheet of 3/4 plywood setting on foam wether strip on a ledge with those toggle type clamps around the sides. the short piece of 12" flex just slides down over a flange on the lid. No clamp . When I turn on the DC (7.5hp) you can see it "suck" the 3/4" lid down a little.   I'm sure that it is not completely air tight but my filter bank has a 5 gal bucket on the bottom of each filter sleeve. In 10 years I have emptied the buckets only two times. each time they had maybe 2 inches of dust inside. One time it got there because I let my box fill up all the way into the flex hose. :o

I think air tight is better but as long as it's not leaking a significant percentage of the air flow, gravity will win out and the chips will fall into the bin.

BTW, I've never seen a duel cyclone system. Got any photos?

Scott

 
ericbuggeln said:
Scott, does the DD fit in the Sys 5 after the lining?
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I did not try it, but it looks like it will easily go in. I'll try to take a couple measurements when I get back to the shop & confirm.

Scott
 
Scott, I checked out your shop slideshow, very nice.  I had Timmy c send me a Sys 5 before the price increase.  I hope to borrow your design or in the worst case scenario use Sys 5 for random tools, etc.  My dog fits in a Sys 4, she is 12 lbs and also a badass.  Thanks for the design idea, Eric
 
ericbuggeln said:
Scott, I checked out your shop slideshow, very nice.  I had Timmy c send me a Sys 5 before the price increase.  I hope to borrow your design or in the worst case scenario use Sys 5 for random tools, etc.  My dog fits in a Sys 4, she is 12 lbs and also a badass.  Thanks for the design idea, Eric
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Hi Eric,

I ran down to the shop this morning and did a quick measurement. The DD will go inside the Sys5 with my liner with no problem at all.

Scott
 
Scott,
Love the sys5 w/DD. What fittings did you need for the festool hoses to be able to attach?

thanks,

Eiji
 
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