Festool and mafell

Holvik said:
[eek] 1400 dollars for Mafell P1CC ?
Is it a problem to import from Europe ?
No, its 760  USD from Timberwolf tools. I don't know where he got 1400.
 
ali said:
I don't think there is any one company that is necessarily better than others, but I have a mafell jigsaw and i use the mafell tracks on my bosch guide rail system. For me these are better than the festool equivalent, but mafell's range of products is limited.

But the build quality is really good and hard wearing.

A limited product line helps to ensure that build quality and function are the top concerns.
 
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.
 
Birdhunter said:
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.

I'm sure the Festool is a fine saw.  My decision to purchase the Mafell saw was made based on my having the Mafell rails, which I purchased after buying the Mafell jig saw (which all research points to it being superior to the Festool jig saw).

Once the rail decision is made, the saw purchase is predetermined.
 
McNally Family said:
Birdhunter said:
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.

I'm sure the Festool is a fine saw.  My decision to purchase the Mafell saw was made based on my having the Mafell rails, which I purchased after buying the Mafell jig saw (which all research points to it being superior to the Festool jig saw).

Once the rail decision is made, the saw purchase is predetermined.

Except the Mafell can ride either rail.... [big grin]
 
When did it become a competition?
The DX93 is nice, the domino is nice, and the MFT is OK... I do not have the BS105 yet.

For Mafell the jig saw, MT55 and the rails, and the eva115e are great.
The Erika I will fire up next weekend.

Then there is the deros, and the lamello gear.

Why not just get the best from each?
Being wedded to some belief of "Festool uber alles" seems like denial of factual reality.

Given that that old OF2000 was made by Mafell, and the early vacuums by Nilfisk makes it even just comical.

There is also a lot of Bosch and Metabo gear that also seems desirable.
 
Holmz said:
When did it become a competition?
The DX93 is nice, the domino is nice, and the MFT is OK... I do not have the BS105 yet.

For Mafell the jig saw, MT55 and the rails, and the eva115e are great.
The Erika I will fire up next weekend.

Then there is the deros, and the lamello gear.

Why not just get the best from each?
Being wedded to some belief of "Festool uber alles" seems like denial of factual reality.

Given that that old OF2000 was made by Mafell, and the early vacuums by Nilfisk makes it even just comical.

There is also a lot of Bosch and Metabo gear that also seems desirable.

And Mafell rebadged the 1010 for a while.
 
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US vs Europe, seems like with just one distributor they can price however they like. I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.
 
Slider613 said:
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US

I ended up buying my Mafell saw from the UK and importing it.  The price was not much different than a TS55.  However, that may fluctuate as the USD to GBP changes.  I also probably don't have a warranty.

Slider613 said:
I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I did not like the Carvex either, but I have a problem with spending more than $400 on any jigsaw.  I ended up with a bare-tool cordless Bosch I already had Bosch 18v batteries) barrel style saw I got from UK as well (not available in US) for under $150.  It's brushless and works very well.
 
amt said:
Slider613 said:
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US

I ended up buying my Mafell saw from the UK and importing it.  The price was not much different than a TS55.  However, that may fluctuate as the USD to GBP changes.  I also probably don't have a warranty.

Slider613 said:
I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I did not like the Carvex either, but I have a problem with spending more than $400 on any jigsaw.  I ended up with a bare-tool cordless Bosch I already had Bosch 18v batteries) barrel style saw I got from UK as well (not available in US) for under $150.  It's brushless and works very well.

Did you just switch out the cord to use in a USA 110v outlet?

I probably should have saved the money originally and went with a Bosch.
 
I imported a MT55 from the UK too.

It was cheaper, all in, than a TS55 in Canada.
Plus it came with 2 rails, a connector, a rail bag and screw clamps.

Great saw.

Just changed the plug and in business.
 
altiplano said:
I imported a MT55 from the UK too.

It was cheaper, all in, than a TS55 in Canada.
Plus it came with 2 rails, a connector, a rail bag and screw clamps.

Great saw.

Just changed the plug and in business.

You're on a higher plane...
 
No way, dude, the Canadians and Northeasterners make way better hand planes than the Germans.  [smile]
 
Slider613 said:
I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I just traded my Trion & Carvex in for a Mafell P1 cc...no comparison. Hated to spend the $$$ but well worth it, I should have done it earlier before I spent money on a Milwaukee, then a Trion and finally the Carvex.  [doh]
 
For me the main difference is the rail.

As a tool for sawing the Mafell rail wins hands down - it has a narrower footprint so you can work on smaller pieces, its more robust, the splinter guard stays attached, the process of joining sections together is faster and stronger and automatically straightens the joint as you tighten it. It stays in place while you're working better (I haven't needed to use the clamps during the last 8 years of so of use)  The rail sections being a little longer makes them more useable too - supporting the saw beyond the start and finish of full board cuts. I find Festool rails delicate and clumsy by comparison.

Festool's benefit over Mafell is that their rail is part of a much larger system, it has more applications than just sawing. Its a jack off all trades compared to Mafell's master on one. But I can't help but feeling wishing they'd developed a better version of their rail before committing such a wide range of products and processes around it.
 
maccruiskeen said:
For me the main difference is the rail.
As a tool for sawing the Mafell rail wins hands down - it has a narrower footprint so you can work on smaller pieces, its more robust, the splinter guard stays attached, the process of joining sections together is faster and stronger and automatically straightens the joint as you tighten it. It stays in place while you're working better (I haven't needed to use the clamps during the last 8 years of so of use)  The rail sections being a little longer makes them more useable too - supporting the saw beyond the start and finish of full board cuts. I find Festool rails delicate and clumsy by comparison.
It also has two t-slots on the bottom, one close to the cutting edge. Easy to clamp small/narrow pieces.
 
GhostFist said:
Other than the parallel guides. What can festool rails do that mafell can't?
Gecko suction clamp, dog rail clips, protractors and squares, flip stops, anti tip-over thingies, magnetic rail holders, etc. etc. I've seen many other custom jigs over the years on FOG and elsewhere that utilize that t-slot. It's handy to have an attachment point on your rail.
 
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