Festool drill or Milwaukee?

[Timtool]

I'm just gonna stop feeding the troll,
but from reading the reactions here it appears that most, if not all of those who categorically say no to Festool drills have never owned any, to those i would say luck you, "igonrance is bliss", for heavens sake stay away from festool drills and centrotec because once you actually use it it will be very hard to go back.
I lived happily with my yellow, blue and cyan drills, until a CXS came my way (my first ever new festool). I had no real clue about what centrotec was but quickly understood, the other junk flew out the door and in came a T15. The cost was hard to bite, but it only hurt once.
Those are 4 years old now, used daily in a professional workshop with the original batteries and no sign of them losing capacity.
It was because my 3 Bosch drills started dramatically losing capacity only after one year that i sold them before they lost all value. All in all like with most other tools i wasted allot of money in the end by first picking something based on the lower price, if you are on the fence already then that is a very bad sign of likely regrets to come.

 

[Darren1972]

Any cheap 18 v impact driver can screw a 250 lag bolt into oak now screwing it in straight now thats a different story

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

Its possible to do with Festool PDC 18/4 (not using hammer mode) ,very easy!

Corded pdc ?

 

[Wuffles]

Any cheap 18 v impact driver can screw a 250 lag bolt into oak now screwing it in straight now thats a different story

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

Its possible to do with Festool PDC 18/4 (not using hammer mode) ,very easy!

Corded pdc ?

18V

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Any cheap 18 v impact driver can screw a 250 lag bolt into oak now screwing it in straight now thats a different story

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

Its possible to do with Festool PDC 18/4 (not using hammer mode) ,very easy!

Corded pdc ?

NO,no,no!

Cordless,18V,PDC 18/4!

 

[Cheese]

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

I was speaking from experience. I had an instance where a Bosch 18v impact wouldn't drive the Timberlock screws in whereas the PDC managed it without any issue.
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Having never used a Timberlok screw before, I checked them out at the local Menard's today. They actually are roughly the equivalent of a 1/4" lag bolt and about 6x longer in length.

 

[Darren1972]

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

I was speaking from experience. I had an instance where a Bosch 18v impact wouldn't drive the Timberlock screws in whereas the PDC managed it without any issue.

Having never used a Timberlok screw before, I checked them out at the local Menard's today. They actually are roughly the equivalent of a 1/4" lag bolt and about 6x longer in length.
[/quote] Well my millwaulkee fuel has 160 nm torque and my pdc has 60 nm torque sort of says it all really

 

[Wuffles]

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.                                         

no a lag bolt  has a much bigger diameter so its harder to drive in but any impact will do it any driver will not

I was speaking from experience. I had an instance where a Bosch 18v impact wouldn't drive the Timberlock screws in whereas the PDC managed it without any issue.

Well my millwaulkee fuel has 160 nm torque and my pdc has 60 nm torque sort of says it all really

What sort of drill, driver, impact is that? Model number?

Also you have missed out the pertinent bit. I was referring to your comment here:

Any cheap 18 v impact driver can screw a 250 lag bolt into oak now screwing it in straight now thats a different story

If a Timberlock screw is considered a "lag bolt", then you are incorrect.

 

[bkharman]

Man...  Not only is this thread getting tired but the lack of "true quoting" is driving me bonkers!

I am with Tim, my PDC and CXS are my go to drills and do 99.99999% of what I ask of them. For those who don't know what "five nines" means, that is 0.05256 minutes of downtime a year.

I don't need to drive 12" lag screws or timberlok's or anything else of that magnitude. If I needed them to hang a ledger board or anything burly, I would probably go to a big box store and rent one for the project.

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[Cheese]

...but the lack of "true quoting" is driving me bonkers!

[popcorn] [popcorn]

 

[Holmz]

...but the lack of "true quoting" is driving me bonkers!

[popcorn]

Aye.

Hey guys,
...
Is it worth getting a festool drill or should I save some money here and put that into a festool sander/domino
thanks!
-chris

Chris,
In the context of the question... I doubt the Domino will work for instruments, so that leaves the sander.
Is the sanding is done as handwork for you now?

 

[TelcoRandy]

Milwaukee is made in China by who knows who.

So?

You have a problem with China product?

May be its a surprise for you,but some Festool parts inside have a sign: MADE IN CHINA!

Surprise?

How does one tell?

From:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking#China_Export
China Export
The difference between the CE logo and alleged "China Export" mark.

A very similar CE marking has been alleged to stand for China Export because some Chinese manufacturers apply it to their products.[21] However, the European Commission says that this is a misconception. The matter was raised at the European Parliament in 2008.[22] The Commission responded that it was unaware of the existence of any "Chinese Export" mark and that, in its view, the incorrect application of the CE marking on products was unrelated to incorrect depictions of the symbol, although both practices took place. It had initiated the procedure to register CE marking as a Community collective trademark, and was in discussion with Chinese authorities to ensure compliance with European legislation.[23]

This was also discussed in another post:

Iam not engeneer, but  this video have some problems:

1. Bushing  - we  used  this bushings  on Czech trains( 742 and 363...) for 40 years  and this system  is bullet  proof. This is wery simple solution.
    1a - Lubricant. I think when You use normal greas, then  spinning shaft  push it greas  out. So i think  You need use special  greas.

2. Another  plastic  on motor  case. Yea, this is maybe  problem  when You  use this saw like Hammer. This saw have temperature control, so i dont  see  this  problem  like a problem.

3. Plug  IT cabel. I live  in Czech Republic and i have 3shops  about  20km my house. When You use Domino, TS55, Rotex, Fein MM (with Plug IT cable) this solution  is absolutely perfect  and i dont have aby problems with this system.

4. Cables  and electronic in saw. IT WORKS!

5. Labels  on saw. Yea, maybe. But this is saw, not hammer.

6. CE  on on/off button. This  isnt  China export but Conformite Europe.

Thats  all. He knows  something, but something  dont.

EDIT: I like his videos, but when is mute  on, because  i dont understand his English.

 

[Darren1972]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

 

[Darren1972]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

http://www.powertools-direct.com/milwaukee-m18cid-502x-c2x15822584

 

[Dangermouse]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

but your comparing a impact driver to a drill/driver, there completely diffrent beasts

 

[Darren1972]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

but your comparing a impact driver to a drill/driver, there completely diffrent beasts

ime not comparing anything ime just stating a fact

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

Comma?

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I own loads off festool drills drivers saws and other things i personaly think for precision and ease of application there is no better tool out there all ime saying is if your driving big screws in all day long or screwing directly into aliminium as i do some days no festool drill i own compares to my millwaulkee fuel m18 5 ah impact driver for sheer power amd easy on the wrist sure my pdc or even my c 18 will do it on a slower speed but no where near as quick or easy as my impactor and thats a fact it is in fact 180 nm of torque

Not right,you compare impact to drill.

And PDC 18/4 can do it better AND MUCH quieter.

And this is fact!

 

[Timtool]

Not right,you compare impact to drill.

And PDC 18/4 can do it better AND MUCH quieter.

And this is fact!

In all fairness [member=55478]Darren1972[/member] does state that for that particular application the impact is better, which is logical and i'm not sure if brand has anything to do with that. It's just a task were in general impacts perform better.
And as far as i was able to understand he prefers his Festool drills for normal drill-driver tasks.

 

[Wuffles]

Not right,you compare impact to drill.

And PDC 18/4 can do it better AND MUCH quieter.

And this is fact!

In all fairness [member=55478]Darren1972[/member] does state that for that particular application the impact is better, which is logical and i'm not sure if brand has anything to do with that. It's just a task were in general impacts perform better.
And as far as i was able to understand he prefers his Festool drills for normal drill-driver tasks.

And I stated that it's not always the case and backed it up with an example where a Bosch Impact failed to perform a task a PDC was able to, which was ignored when he re-stated his fact.

This discussion turned circular quite a while back, I expect anyone with any sense un-subscribed ages ago.

 

[sae]

This discussion turned circular quite a while back, I expect anyone with any sense un-subscribed ages ago.

Oh, how I wish there was an unsubscribe...