Fogtainers For Sale! Anyone interested? This Ends August 15, 2010

[Wonderwino]

I like th no-border look also.  I would prefer screen printed directly on the systainer rather than a less durable label.  [smile]

 

[Paul Franklin]

I like it without the border, but I would not be happy with a sticker.

Paul

 

[waynelang2001]

For me the border adds to the overall look and makes them look more custom. I think Peter should clarify to the members what the quality of the labels are. There not your ordinary " stickers " that are printed from a home PC.

 

[peter halle]

I never thought that I would like or consider a label either.  Here is some information about the label:

The decal is reverse printed in three layers on the back of a flexible polycarbonate sheet (Lexan).  The result is that the printing is protected by en extremely durable coating.  The resulting print is more detailed.  The adhesive is a 3M product (3M 300LSE) that is an acrylic formulation which increases strength over time that is specified for permanent labels in harsh conditions.  The decal can be written on with a permanent marker and later that can be wiped off with isopropyl alcohol without damage to the label.  The label is .5mm thick.

From 3M The adhesive manufacturer - "3M 9472: 3M 9472, also known as 300LSE, is a hi-strength acrylic adhesive that provides a very high bond strength to most surfaces. It bonds extremely well to low surface energy plastics including polystyrene, polypropylene, polyethylene, and powder paints. It can also adhere to surfaces lightly contaminated with oil. Humidity, UV, water, and many chemicals do not affect performance. The temperature range of this adhesive is -40 degrees F to 300 degrees F (short term). "

I am offering this as information, not to try and sell the idea.  

All comments are welcome and encouraged!

Peter

EDIT:  I was typing this and when I went to post saw that Wayne had done his post.  Both Wayne and Jonathan were consulted about their opinions and thoughts prior to posing this possability.

 

[waynelang2001]

I'm pretty much sold on the label idea. It's a quality label and I don't think anyone can dispute that. From the comments I have read it seems as though we might have to have a poll in the near future to decide on whether the labels are acceptable or not. 

 

[ajones]

I'm pretty much sold on the label idea. It's a quality label and I don't think anyone can dispute that. From the comments I have read it seems as though we might have to have a poll in the near future to decide on whether the labels are acceptable or not. 

maybe a spare label supplied with the systainer may sway some of the less convinced sticker wise and should not impact on cost to much. [2cents]

 

[JSlovic]

Following up on Peter's label info I spent 20 yrs doing this stuff in the electronics industry and. Reverse screen printed labels like this are the commonly accepted way to go. I'd wager your TV, modem, Internet router etc has one of these labels.
Most folks use 3M adhesive and polycarbonate film it's damn near impossible to peel off.
Pad printing /'silk screening works OK on plastic but I could see the texture on these causing some wicking and less than crisp edges.

PS the label material is UL approved!

 

[Frank Pellow]

Following up on Peter's label info I spent 20 yrs doing this stuff in the electronics industry and. Reverse screen printed labels like this are the commonly accepted way to go. I'd wager your TV, modem, Internet router etc has one of these labels.
Most folks use 3M adhesive and polycarbonate film it's damn near impossible to peel off.
Pad printing /'silk screening works OK on plastic but I could see the texture on these causing some wicking and less than crisp edges.

PS the label material is UL approved!

Good one, thanks for my morning laugh!  [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

My opinion:

My honest opinion I would not b happy with a sticker. Even if they are very good. I just feel like a sticker is an afterthought. I feel a printed version is more professional and makes it more unique. It's kinda like I can just call up a label printing company up right now (my next door neighbour does label printing) and just stick some on my self and get dem to make spares for peanuts incase the label falls off. Any one can do it so it feels like the fogtainers won't be unique.

Sorry

Jmb

 

[festooltim]

It looks good whatever way you go . In the real world we do the best  we can.  I wasnt in this for the details its just being part of a group of people who love what they do and enjoy the quality of the tools they work with and it shows in their work. No job turns out perfect but we continue to learn from every thing we do.

 

[woodguy7]

Im afraid im with JMB.  Anyone can get that sticker done & say they have a "fogtainer"  I would prefer to have it printed to the box.  The quality of the print on the box is not as crisp as i thought it would be but then again it is not a smooth surface so some bleeding of the edges is to be expected.  I wont say i wont accept the sticker option, i would just prefer it was printed like the origonal idea.

Either way, i look forward to the delivery.

Woodguy.

 

[peter halle]

I like th no-border look also.  I would prefer screen printed directly on the systainer rather than a less durable label.   [smile]

I agree.

Could someone again explain what is botched on the printing in the picture below?
They look fine to me. I can see that the printing is not as clear as the label, but the label is smooth & the Systainer is textured.
Also it does not mater to me about the location. 

Peter, why not post pictures of what you consider the botched Systainers & give the buyers the option of taking them as is.
Another option is that if it is decided to go with labels. do not install the labels over the botched printing. Give the buyer the option.

My order could be filled with these.

Chris,

if you look in the top picture the logo is off center.  The distance from the left edge of the indented area to the widest point (the bottom of the F) is 1.75 inches.  The measurement from the right side to the closest point ( the widest point of the large "G") is 1.125".

From the bottom, the distance to the bottom of the logo at the left side is 4 inches.  At the right end it is 4 1/16 inches.

These measurements vary from box to box.  The 1/16 inch difference is not as noticeable on the sys 4 boxes, but as the size of the box decreases, it becomes more noticeable.

I would have taken more pictures, but somehow my charger for the camera has gone missing and my replacement has not yet arrived.  [scared]

The clarity of the printing on the bottom is based on the number of stamps the box gets.  The ink does flow a little.  I increased the number of stamps versus Fogtainer 1 because of the voids in the printing.

Keep the comments and questions coming.

Peter

 

[waynelang2001]

If there is no way to make every print on the FOGtainers exactly the same and have them all centered and level, then i would rather have the labels. Does anyone really want a stack of FOGtainers with the printing all over the place ??? That would not look professional in my opinion.

 

[Kevcoleman]

I like either but if the label is as good a match to the color of the sustainer I like the clarity of the printing.  I think that if you made the border a little thinner, perhaps the same width of the letters in the logo it would look really nice

 

[Sean_C_G]

My opinion:

My honest opinion I would not b happy with a sticker. Even if they are very good. I just feel like a sticker is an afterthought. I feel a printed version is more professional and makes it more unique. It's kinda like I can just call up a label printing company up right now (my next door neighbour does label printing) and just stick some on my self and get dem to make spares for peanuts incase the label falls off. Any one can do it so it feels like the fogtainers won't be unique.

Sorry

Jmb

Point well made and taken, but is the color scheme for the FOGtainer unique? If so, would that be enough to set them apart? BTW, thanks for the comparo tests on the drills, well done!
 
On another point, I think you have the seed of a good idea for Peter. Peter, given the known weakness of the Festool systainer labels, maybe you can get this printer to make replacement labels using the original Festool graphic for the given systainer, i.e., a Festool RO-150 systainer label on steroids? Festool would have to OK this, of course. I think you'd have plenty of takers on this forum.  

My two cents (or I think about 1.5 euro cents!): I'm fine with the stickers applied labels.

All the best.

 

[Paul Franklin]

I have  Systainer with the Lamello logo on it and it is sharp and crisp.

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

Paul

 

[waynelang2001]

I have  Systainer with the Lamello logo on it and it is sharp and crisp.

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

Paul

The labels fit in the space exactly.....How could anyone not put them straight ??

 

[dltflt]

Honestly I am good what ever everyone decides.  The label looks good and it sounds like it will be durable.  I would not mind seeing the thinner border that has been suggested.
Don

 

[AlexThePalex]

I have  Systainer with the Lamello logo on it and it is sharp and crisp.

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

Paul

The labels fit in the space exactly.....How could anyone not put them straight ??

Well......, I could [poke]

Why weren't these systainers printed in Germany by Tanos in the first place?

 

[Ken Nagrod]

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

I have some Porter Cable tools with an indented area for the product info and serial number sticker and they can't manage to get them in that well defined area on the assembly line (during the Pentair days).

Humans are capable of doing a good job or not caring and being sloppy, so it's possible.