Fogtainers For Sale! Anyone interested? This Ends August 15, 2010

[ajones]

I have  Systainer with the Lamello logo on it and it is sharp and crisp.

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

Paul

The labels fit in the space exactly.....How could anyone not put them straight ??

I think some of them were sourced in the US

Well......, I could [poke]

Why weren't these systainers printed in Germany by Tanos in the first place?

 

[Holzhacker]

Lots of great ideas floating around how to complete this project. Thinner border, extra labels, change this, add that, etc. All very nice. As much as I would prefer printing right on the Sys, I realize that it doesn't seem feasible anymore from a quality perspective. If the printer can't center the printing side to side on the Sys, that's a deal killer for me. That's a lack of quality control I am unwilling to accept. Up and down, don't really care. The ink bleeding should have been expected by everyone. You can't print fine on a textured surface without some bleeding.
At this point, this project has to be eating up Peter's time and life like crazy. He didn't have much hair to start and probably has less now.  [eek] One could say (not me, just voicing devils advocate) he should have done more printer research to avoid these issues. However there is always a learning curve and sh_t happens.
It's time to bring this project home. I would suggest Peter take all the ideas into consideration, assess the best options, pucker up, make the best decision and move forward. Grab it by the _alls and make it happen. Provide a good quality product that looks good, lasts and is reasonably within expectations. Guys may moan a bit about not getting exactly what they wanted or expected but they'll be happy.

 

[ajones]

Lots of great ideas floating around how to complete this project. Thinner border, extra labels, change this, add that, etc. All very nice. As much as I would prefer printing right on the Sys, I realize that it doesn't seem feasible anymore from a quality perspective. If the printer can't center the printing side to side on the Sys, that's a deal killer for me. That's a lack of quality control I am unwilling to accept. Up and down, don't really care. The ink bleeding should have been expected by everyone. You can't print fine on a textured surface without some bleeding.
At this point, this project has to be eating up Peter's time and life like crazy. He didn't have much hair to start and probably has less now.  [eek] One could say (not me, just voicing devils advocate) he should have done more printer research to avoid these issues. However there is always a learning curve and sh_t happens.
It's time to bring this project home. I would suggest Peter take all the ideas into consideration, assess the best options, pucker up, make the best decision and move forward. Grab it by the _alls and make it happen. Provide a good quality product that looks good, lasts and is reasonably within expectations. Guys may moan a bit about not getting exactly what they wanted or expected but they'll be happy.

What you say makes alot of sense, I feel for Peter and it just shows how easy it is to come unstuck when you are out of your comfort zone.
I did not order a fogtainer, but if I had, I now would shut up and put up.slap on the stickers and get em shipped...

 

[waynelang2001]

I have  Systainer with the Lamello logo on it and it is sharp and crisp.

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

Paul

The labels fit in the space exactly.....How could anyone not put them straight ??

Well......, I could [poke]

Why weren't these systainers printed in Germany by Tanos in the first place?

I think we covered this already but the volume needed by Tanos to do the printing is well over the volume of FOGtainers ordered if I'm not mistaken.

 

[jmbfestool]

And who is going to guarantee the stickers will go on straight?

I have some Porter Cable tools with an indented area for the product info and serial number sticker and they can't manage to get them in that well defined area on the assembly line (during the Pentair days).

Humans are capable of doing a good job or not caring and being sloppy, so it's possible.

Beat me to it so I'll just +1

I have an old drill which has a recess square for the sticker to fit in flush and that was not put on straight miles out.

I rather hav it printed and not sharp than sharp n being a sticker.

cheers Sean G!

Jmb

 

[PaulMarcel]

I like the idea of a thinner border.  Also think these applied labels will look great centered, crisply printed, and very durable.  I even like the idea of being able to Sharpie them and later wipe them clean; textured Systainer surfaces can't be easily cleaned.  If the label provides a smoothish surface, I might print my own "contents" labels and put them just inside the border as they'll stick to a smooth surface.

Peter's a trooper for going through all this in the first place.  Though I voiced my opinion here, if a different decision is made so he gets his life back, I'm cool with that, too.

 

[Alaska Ranger]

I never thought that I would like or consider a label either.  Here is some information about the label:

The decal is reverse printed in three layers on the back of a flexible polycarbonate sheet (Lexan).  The result is that the printing is protected by en extremely durable coating.  The resulting print is more detailed.  The adhesive is a 3M product (3M 300LSE) that is an acrylic formulation which increases strength over time that is specified for permanent labels in harsh conditions.  The decal can be written on with a permanent marker and later that can be wiped off with isopropyl alcohol without damage to the label.  The label is .5mm thick.

All comments are welcome and encouraged!

I am the Buddha of The Mountains, and remain patiently awaiting.

BUT - as I have just been told my comment is welcome and encouraged, then here it is: if the above is correct, that decal ain't no stick-on, it's armor plating!!!! To place that number in perspective, it is twice the thickness of a playing card, which is 0.25mm thick.

IF the above is correct

 

[peter halle]

Of course you comments are welcome and encouraged.  Although I do not have an unattached label, here are images of the labels that they make for another client using the same materials.  I did measure the thickness before posting.

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thickness of label with backing paper pulled away

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Label for another client - guess who.  These were made for Hillary's traveling crates.  This is where I got the idea.

Peter

 

[PaulMarcel]

Label for another client - guess who.  These were made for Hillary's traveling crates.  This is where I got the idea.

Ah, so our FOGtainer labels will be impervious to all but the worse solvents... and WikiLeaks  [tongue]

 

[Wood_Junkie]

Hrrm..  I like 'em either way, though I think the label-printed results are definitely much crisper and clean.  A very noticeable difference in your pictures.

Perhaps it is more appropriate to call this a container "badge".  It is certainly more than a label, and as you described the adhesive qualities... Yow!

Peter, are the badges a clear material?  Or are they printed as a color-match to the dark blue Systainers?  I think you sort of stated it is the latter, but I'm not sure.

I prefer it without the border, except for the Sys1.  I think the Sys1's look excellent with the bordered version.

Whichever way they go, I'm all in. 

 

[peter halle]

Hrrm..  I like 'em either way, though I think the label-printed results are definitely much crisper and clean.  A very noticeable difference in your pictures.

Perhaps it is more appropriate to call this a container "badge".  It is certainly more than a label, and as you described the adhesive qualities... Yow!

Peter, are the badges a clear material?  Or are they printed as a color-match to the dark blue Systainers?  I think you sort of stated it is the latter, but I'm not sure.

I prefer it without the border, except for the Sys1.  I think the Sys1's look excellent with the bordered version.

Whichever way they go, I'm all in. 

The blue is a color match.  The only thing clear is the protective poly carbonate face.  A "Badge".  I love it.  I hope that I haven't committed a Federal crime by being in possession [eek].

Peter

 

[Brice Burrell]

.....I hope that I haven't committed a Federal crime by being in possession [eek].

Peter

See how committed Peter is to this project, he's willing to risk going to federal prison for us. [big grin]

 

[atomicmike]

How much would it cost to get that label on my Fogtainers as well? I'm thinking it could come in handy next time I travel.  [wink]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I'm thinking it could come in handy next time I travel.

...like bringing back some of those NAINA goodies?

 

[atomicmike]

I'm thinking it could come in handy next time I travel.

...like bringing back some of those NAINA goodies?

Exactly! And without any interference from customs or the UL.  [tongue]

 

[Corwin]

So, you'll have to do a little calculating to figure just what you can get that would add up to 62 lbs.  But, other than that...

 

[atomicmike]

So, you'll have to do a little calculating to figure just what you can get that would add up to 62 lbs.  But, other than that...

Or just inform the airline employees that their scale is obviously wrong. If the Dept. of State says that it weighs 62 pounds, then clearly it couldn't weigh anything else.  [big grin]

 

[peter halle]

In case anyone might be interested, that label was for containers that held computer equipment and fax machines for H.R.C.

Peter

 

[tallgrass]

what ever works, works for me.
[big grin]

 

[Kevin D.]

Sticker's fine by me.  Sounds like it's the same quality they use on the side on the space shuttle.

I can understand some comments that express that a direct printing looks way more authentic, but in light of the centering issues and crispness defficiency, I think a compromise is needed.  Unless you store your systainers by throwing them in a pile from 20 feet away, I think people are gonna notice skewed labelling, and that would look worse imo.

I was trying to look at the systainer to see if there was anywhere else labelling could take place where the surface was smoother, or less cumbersome to deal with in placing into whatever labelling apparatus would be used, but I don't really see anything viable.  I had thought maybe the latches could be labelled along with the stickers, but the latches have the same surface as the outside body of the systainers.  The only places that don't - other than the interiors - is the outside edge of the handles, and the circled ressessed area that the handle rests into.  Not much you could do with that. 

Of course doing both direct printing and sticker labels would cost more as well.  It's hard to come up with something that is equal or superior to what was originally offered, and I think it's simply an issue of what is the most acceptible compromise at this point.

Btw, Peter, I think you do the eggshell dance very well.  [big grin]