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[jmbfestool]

Hey!  I am hoping to get this job!Sent him a quote 2 day! Well its doing all the internal joinery on a new build! Studding Skirting stairs etc.

Well there was a topic on here asking people what they would charge for a UNIT! While I was pricing up I was just thinking of everything I can what could go wrong and all that and then thought what do people actually charge for Hanging Doors. I gotta hang 26 Doors but 3 of them doors I have to costume make and fit.

Well I am curious to what do people charge for:

Assembling and Fitting Door Lining and hanging the door with 3 hinges(I don't like hanging a door with less than 3) fitting handles and latch

JMB

 

[Chris Hughes]

I would charge at least 1 1/2 hours per door with casing, not including any prep like removing existing door.  In this situation with 26 doors to hang I would probably get 60 bucks. 

For the handle sets I would get 20 to 25 bucks per.  If you can do the installation in a linear process at the same time for all 26 doors you could get the unit time down to around 15 minutes.

To hinge a door I would get between one hour to 1.5 hours if you have a jig.  This does not include any prep like trimming the door to width.

I hope that helps.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

If you hang all the doors and jambs you should know they are square.

when I have this opportunity, I pre-assemble my casings and install as one unit.

That saves me time and makes things pretty nice.

 

[joiner1970]

depends on lots of things where you are based in the country saying that though i know a guy who has just moved back upto Manchester area who is getting the same money he got down here  [eek] but he is working in that Alderley edge area  [laughing].

How many do you think you can fit in a day then most people these days say around £200-£250 a day labour. Lastime i did just the linings on price i think i was on £45 a lining but that was subbing so they make their bit on top of that. That was fitting the lining to a datum pre-screed and foaming the linings. You would have to add materials to that and a bit more profit.

 

[jmbfestool]

I would charge at least 1 1/2 hours per door with casing, not including any prep like removing existing door.  In this situation with 26 doors to hang I would probably get 60 bucks. 

For the handle sets I would get 20 to 25 bucks per.  If you can do the installation in a linear process at the same time for all 26 doors you could get the unit time down to around 15 minutes.

To hinge a door I would get between one hour to 1.5 hours if you have a jig.  This does not include any prep like trimming the door to width.

I hope that helps.

Yes thank you.  Well this is a new build so no removing of old doors all materials.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

If you hang all the doors and jambs you should know they are square.

when I have this opportunity, I pre-assemble my casings and install as one unit.

That saves me time and makes things pretty nice.

When you say pre-assemble you mean its screwed up and you have squared the frame up with braces?!    I was told thats how to do it but I found it quicker just to screw the frame up and square it and level it as your fitting it.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

depends on lots of things where you are based in the country saying that though i know a guy who has just moved back upto Manchester area who is getting the same money he got down here  [eek] but he is working in that Alderley edge area  [laughing].

How many do you think you can fit in a day then most people these days say around £200-£250 a day labour. Lastime i did just the linings on price i think i was on £45 a lining but that was subbing so they make their bit on top of that. That was fitting the lining to a datum pre-screed and foaming the linings. You would have to add materials to that and a bit more profit.

You say £45 a lining also hanging the door and fit furniture?!?

Wow £200-250 seems a lot.

To be honest I dont really know how many frames and! doors I can do a day.  I worked for a company on the books so speed is less of an importance lol

JMB

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

pre asseble as in hang the door before fitting the frame. Then fit L brackets to back of frame ond into face of blockword so no visable fixings

 

[joiner1970]

depends on lots of things where you are based in the country saying that though i know a guy who has just moved back upto Manchester area who is getting the same money he got down here  [eek] but he is working in that Alderley edge area  [laughing].

How many do you think you can fit in a day then most people these days say around £200-£250 a day labour. Lastime i did just the linings on price i think i was on £45 a lining but that was subbing so they make their bit on top of that. That was fitting the lining to a datum pre-screed and foaming the linings. You would have to add materials to that and a bit more profit.

You say £45 a lining also hanging the door and fit furniture?!?

Wow £200-250 seems a lot.

To be honest I dont really know how many frames and! doors I can do a day.  I worked for a company on the books so speed is less of an importance lol

JMB

JMB

no thats just fitting the lining

 

[jmbfestool]

pre asseble as in hang the door before fitting the frame. Then fit L brackets to back of frame ond into face of blockword so no visable fixings

We did that with loads of oak beams.  Doing that way takes longer and more cost on brackets aint it though.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

depends on lots of things where you are based in the country saying that though i know a guy who has just moved back upto Manchester area who is getting the same money he got down here  [eek] but he is working in that Alderley edge area  [laughing].

How many do you think you can fit in a day then most people these days say around £200-£250 a day labour. Lastime i did just the linings on price i think i was on £45 a lining but that was subbing so they make their bit on top of that. That was fitting the lining to a datum pre-screed and foaming the linings. You would have to add materials to that and a bit more profit.

You say £45 a lining also hanging the door and fit furniture?!?

Wow £200-250 seems a lot.

To be honest I dont really know how many frames and! doors I can do a day.  I worked for a company on the books so speed is less of an importance lol

JMB

JMB

no thats just fitting the lining

Jezus!  So 45 for a lining what about 40 for a door?! and 15 for the handles?  so your talking 100 or more a door and frame?! I think I have undercharged lol!

Im not quite sure but round here Im sure joiners charge about £160 a day.  I have spoken to a few and they are charging £140 a day at the moment.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

The thing with prehanging a door all the doors have to be on site.  Well I dont think a door should be near a site untill ready because of all the damp from the plaster.  You can not leave the doors swinging when the plasterer is plastering the entire house.   On my old job I hung 12 doors about a week after the plaster had finished and all 12 had swollen up like a balloon on the corners of the paneling they where hallow doors from Howdens. They where hard tryed to clamp them to see if they could be pushed pack over night but didnt. So the really bad ones had to be replaced but the not so bad returned to normal with no damage.

JMB

Oh just so you know I did not want to hang the doors I was told to!

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

No one  can tell you how much to charge anyways.

You have all your over head, you know how fast/slow you work.

Sit down, do the math and figure it out.

 

[jmbfestool]

No one  can tell you how much to charge anyways.

You have all your over head, you know how fast/slow you work.

Sit down, do the math and figure it out.

I already have done sent the price to him already!  just was curious! see if I am charging rite!

JMB

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

No one  can tell you how much to charge anyways.

You have all your over head, you know how fast/slow you work.

Sit down, do the math and figure it out.

I already have done sent the price to him already!  just was curious! see if I am charging rite!

JMB

You will find out when you are done if it was.

 

[Chris Hughes]

What is the going rate per hour in "Merry old England"?  Here in SW Michigan I usually get away with between 30 and 35 bucks an hour.  That's US mind you not Canadian. [wink]

 

[Guy Ashley]

Chris,

That is a "how long is a piece of string question" with many variables dependant on geography, competition, etc, etc.

I know chippy's who are on the books (employed by a builder) who are on £120 per day  (£15 = $24 an hour) and happy to at least have a job.

I am a single man joinery shop but also do domestic cabinetry and kitchen fits and my rates can vary as to the type of job I am doing.

If I am doing domestic work I am charging £150 per day (£18.75 = $30 an hour) and if I am in the workshop undertaking joinery work then £20 - £25 ($32 - $40) as I need to cover workshop overheads.

The bigger joinery companies usually charge £45 - £50 ( $72 - $80) per hour, but they have more staff and can turn round greater volumes in quicker times so they sometimes can be more attractive to builders .

Like anyone else in a recession you sometimes have to judge the client and market and quote accordingly.

A good friend of mine who runs a small building firm with 5 full time employees is currently pricing building jobs at cost (wages, materials, etc) + 3% so as to try and keep work coming in.

I suppose your markets are probably similar, it would be interesting to know what the rates are in Germany, Holland, France and elsewhere.

 

[jmbfestool]

Chris,

That is a "how long is a piece of string question" with many variables dependant on geography, competition, etc, etc.

I know chippy's who are on the books (employed by a builder) who are on £120 per day  (£15 = $24 an hour) and happy to at least have a job.

I am a single man joinery shop but also do domestic cabinetry and kitchen fits and my rates can vary as to the type of job I am doing.

If I am doing domestic work I am charging £150 per day (£18.75 = $30 an hour) and if I am in the workshop undertaking joinery work then £20 - £25 ($32 - $40) as I need to cover workshop overheads.

The bigger joinery companies usually charge £45 - £50 ( $72 - $80) per hour, but they have more staff and can turn round greater volumes in quicker times so they sometimes can be more attractive to builders .

Like anyone else in a recession you sometimes have to judge the client and market and quote accordingly.

A good friend of mine who runs a small building firm with 5 full time employees is currently pricing building jobs at cost (wages, materials, etc) + 3% so as to try and keep work coming in.

I suppose your markets are probably similar, it would be interesting to know what the rates are in Germany, Holland, France and elsewhere.

Umm.

I have spoken to a few contractors who say they are on £140 a day and some say they are on £160.  

When working on the books I got some one else pay slip with mine.  The other guy was about aged 50 or more he was a very good carpenter moaned a lot but was good at his job. Well he had a company van which he could take home with him and he was on £11.75 hour.  Well when I was working for the company I was not on that much and I did not have a van but I did get transport as the company policy was 25 years old to have a van. Well its one of the reasons why I left. I was thinking I can be 50 and only be on £11.75 don't think so. The company wages for a week was 39 hours on normal rate so for him it would be £11.75 then anything after 39 hours would be time and half so for him that would of been £17.65!  So of course I worked all the hours I could to make get my time and half! 
Oh and fuel is supplied for and all consumables for tools are supplied.

Well I think I left at a good time as not long after I left the company told every one no later than 4:30 so no over time and no saterday work.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

JMB

on a job like you are describing i usually charge 50 GBP.  That is to make up the posts, fit the posts & hang the door.  Faceings, sorry architraves  [tongue] , stops & ironmongery extra.  Just did a house with all oak & charged 110GBP per door complete.  I made all the posts up in the workshop & routered them for the hinges with the Trend jig.  Once fitted i routered the doors on site & hung them to the posts etc, etc.  Doing it this way turned out good.

Guy, i charge 20GBP per hour on site & 25GBP min for workshop + electric, consumables etc.  I try to aim for 200 GBP per day & get it no problem.

Don't try to be the cheapest guy out there as there will always be someone cheaper than you & before you know it you have to cut corners to break even.  I am lucky that i have a client base that accepts what i charge as they know they will get a decent job at the end.

Woodguy.

 

[jmbfestool]

JMB

on a job like you are describing i usually charge 50 GBP.  That is to make up the posts, fit the posts & hang the door.  Faceings, sorry architraves  [tongue] , stops & ironmongery extra.  Just did a house with all oak & charged 110GBP per door complete.  I made all the posts up in the workshop & routered them for the hinges with the Trend jig.  Once fitted i routered the doors on site & hung them to the posts etc, etc.  Doing it this way turned out good.

Guy, i charge 20GBP per hour on site & 25GBP min for workshop + electric, consumables etc.  I try to aim for 200 GBP per day & get it no problem.

Don't try to be the cheapest guy out there as there will always be someone cheaper than you & before you know it you have to cut corners to break even.  I am lucky that i have a client base that accepts what i charge as they know they will get a decent job at the end.

Woodguy.

Thats better!  Thats sound more normal!! Fitting frame and hanging door for £50 sounds sensible to me + extra for ironmongery.  With me the architrave I have priced that part with doing the skirting.

JMB