Mafell Mt 55 cc

[semenza]

Yeah, also I know salespeople can be a little overzealous. But how he managed to make the logical link from "it doesn't have the score function of the Mafell" to "well it rocks on the rail so doesn't need it" is still confusing me...

How did he demonstrate this as making up for the scoring function being absent?

  What I take from the description of the demo is that the Bosch salesman was indicating that since the blade would have some play anyway that the cut would not be exactly in the same spot and therefore the scoring function would be defeated. Which of course would be a knock on the Bosch to begin with.  I think the real situation is that the salesman needed to come up with an answer on the fly.

Seth

 

[Locks14]

Yeah, also I know salespeople can be a little overzealous. But how he managed to make the logical link from "it doesn't have the score function of the Mafell" to "well it rocks on the rail so doesn't need it" is still confusing me...

How did he demonstrate this as making up for the scoring function being absent?

  What I take from the description of the demo is that the Bosch salesman was indicating that since the blade would have some play anyway that the cut would not be exactly in the same spot and therefore the scoring function would be defeated. Which of course would be a knock on the Bosch to begin with.  I think the real situation is that the salesman needed to come up with an answer on the fly.

Seth

Yes, a bit like trying to say it doesn't matter what condition a parachute canopy is in, because it's going to fail to open in the first place.  [eek]

 

[Wuffles]

Yes yes and yes, but it wasn't slop, it was rocking as if the centre of the base was convex parallel to the blade, thus able to rock left and right.

I doubt they had a clue, it wasn't a Bosch person, just a person in a Bosch shirt from a shop.

Mafell was a man from a shop with a van outside the entrance, whereas Festool was about 6+ presumably Festool people as they didn't appear to be shop related. Marketing at work.

 

[Laminator]

If you need to cut much material with HPDL on both sides, $150.00 for a scoring feature that really works is chump change.    This saw sounds very interesting!

 

[ishmerc]

They are the same.  They even make a holy version.  I was able to acquire a set a long with a longer holy rail for less money then the Mafells.  Non of them are cheap.

Untitled by thedude306, on Flickr

Will these track work with the Festool TS55 saw ?

 

[Locks14]

They are the same.  They even make a holy version.  I was able to acquire a set a long with a longer holy rail for less money then the Mafells.  Non of them are cheap.

Untitled by thedude306, on Flickr

Will these track work with the Festool TS55 saw ?

No.

Bosch/Mafell designed their saws so they can run on the Festool tracks, but Festool saws won't run on Mafell/Bosch tracks.

 

[thedude306]

The Mafell switch actually shifts the first cut 0.1 mm to the left

That's actually not 100% accurate.  All the switch does is auto set the depth of the saw.  Through its design, it is .1m to the left at that depth.  Once the saw is beyond that scoring depth, the saw cuts at .1mm to the right.  I can't tell you how it is designed but the switch doesn't "move" the saw.

Those are my rails above and with a max length of 1600mm they are a dream to use and worth the investment.

 

[jacko9]

While the Mt55 looks great, If I only want to break down sheet goods like 1/2" and 3/4" plywood why would I buy the Mt55 over the KSS300?  My work is in my shop and I have a cabinet table saw with a Excalibur sliding table (Kmart version of the Felder stuff) so a track saw is mostly for breaking down sheet goods will the KSS300 be a better solution for me?

Jack

 

[joiner1970]

I doubt they had a clue, it wasn't a Bosch person, just a person in a Bosch shirt from a shop.

Most of the demo guys at shows are idiots (excluding festool )

Most of the time you feel YOU know more about the tool than they do. I hate it when they have a big crowd round them and they blurt out something along the lines of...."this is what all the guys in the trade do". No we don't , how do you know what we do ? you haven't asked us lol.

 

[wrightwoodwork]

My thinking is if you are working with mainly laminated sheet good then the mt55 or ts55 are the way to go. If you do mainly general joinery working with ply or osb, then the kss saws are the way to go, as they offer more versatility. On the kss 300 it is designed to have its cutting line about 1mm below it's base. So if you where using the F rails the cut line isn't exactly on the splinter line unless using the cross cut track or the flexi track. Where the likes of the kss400 is designed to have its cut line on the splinter line of the f tracks and also the ksp55. The only features these saws don't have is the tabs for adjustment to the rails. In truth it does and doesn't matter its just that without the adjustment tabs a smooth done is needed. When pushing any track saw along a track you should only be pushing straight with no shaky hand movement left or right which the tabs stop happening. Or if cutting laminated sheets then adjustment tabs are worth being there to guarantee no wobble movement can come into the cut

 

[thedude306]

While the Mt55 looks great, If I only want to break down sheet goods like 1/2" and 3/4" plywood why would I buy the Mt55 over the KSS300?  My work is in my shop and I have a cabinet table saw with a Excalibur sliding table (Kmart version of the Felder stuff) so a track saw is mostly for breaking down sheet goods will the KSS300 be a better solution for me?

Jack

Better DC on the MT55, easier blade changes for ripping and cross cutting.  I have only read that with the 300 with the flex rail isn't going to be as accurate as the F rails.

I have both the KSS400 and the MT55 and if I was only going to get one, it would be the KSS400.  It's just more versatile then just the MT55.  But I am glad I have both and only use the MT55 for sheet goods. 

 

[jacko9]

While the Mt55 looks great, If I only want to break down sheet goods like 1/2" and 3/4" plywood why would I buy the Mt55 over the KSS300?  My work is in my shop and I have a cabinet table saw with a Excalibur sliding table (Kmart version of the Felder stuff) so a track saw is mostly for breaking down sheet goods will the KSS300 be a better solution for me?

Jack

Better DC on the MT55, easier blade changes for ripping and cross cutting.  I have only read that with the 300 with the flex rail isn't going to be as accurate as the F rails.

I have both the KSS400 and the MT55 and if I was only going to get one, it would be the KSS400.  It's just more versatile then just the MT55.  But I am glad I have both and only use the MT55 for sheet goods.

Thanks, I just got the information from Timberwolf and now I can see some of the differences.  I'm starting to think that I value dust control over heft and got a reminder of that using my Porter Cable 314 Trim saw to break down some Baltic Birch with a cloud of dust/chips.  The one thing I have learned from Festool is that you don't need live with dust in woodworking and my CT22 is the heart of my power tools as much as my Oneida V-3000 is now the heart of my large machines.

Jack

 

[jacko9]

The more I look the more I'm amazed.  It's interesting that Festool is now the "cheaper version" of a tool that I want to buy - who would have thought that!

There seems to be a rather interesting competition going on between Festool and Mafell but with the installed base and dealership Festool (the cheaper product) has more general interest unless you consider the knowledgable class of professional craftsmen.

There's a hard choice given the use vs price ratio for me between the Festool and Mafell.

jack

 

[Coliban]

The more I look the more I'm amazed.  It's interesting that Festool is now the "cheaper version" of a tool that I want to buy - who would have thought that!

There seems to be a rather interesting competition going on between Festool and Mafell but with the installed base and dealership Festool (the cheaper product) has more general interest unless you consider the knowledgable class of professional craftsmen.

There's a hard choice given the use vs price ratio for me between the Festool and Mafell.

jack

yes, since one of my next investments would have been a TS55, now there are other, "superior", and, costly alternatives. But when we follow that path, we end at the KSS400 with double or tripple of the price of a TS55 (because we have already the rails and, maybe, other accessories). My first emotion, when i read this thread was "it should be a Mafell MT 55cc" (there is still the blue Bosch GKT 55 GCE, but nearly as expensive as the Mafell), the second "a KSS400" and now, hmm, i should stay with festool, because it is a lot "cheaper", it fits in my system (which i start to build up) , it is excellent and it is truly oversized for me, as a part time wood-hobbyist, so i should leave my feet on the ground. And perhaps, this is a discussion on a high profit-niveau, where i should stay down-to-earth. 

Thanks for all this valuable informations!

Good night

 

[jacko9]

Just to update my comments, I did buy the Mafell Mt55 and have been using it to cut up sheet goods for a kitchen remodel and connecting the saw to my CT22 with either my 27mm or 35mm Festool hose gives me almost complete dust free cutting.

I appreciate the scoring function when I am paying $150 per sheet for quartered sawn white oak plywood, that nice edge looks very fine.

The anti-splinter guard is also very nice compared with the ones that I have seen at my Festool dealers and the rail connection is very solid and stays aligned when storing the two connected rails between sheet breakdown.

Jack

 

[Lbob131]

The latest  Mafell  cordless  drills  look  like  copies  of Metabo.

 

[Holmz]

The latest  Mafell  cordless  drills  look  like  copies  of Metabo.

You make it sound like a coincidence?
(They are at least partially made by Metabo)

The A10M seems very nice so far. I probably would have gotten the Metabo if the A10M was not fairly easy to acquire.
Now I am trying to figure out whether to keep the Centrotec drill systainer set or move it on.
The 6-mm bits fit in the 1/4" A10M, but as 1/4 bits fit I see no great benefit.

The organization works OK, but I knocked the unit over and everything scattered.
And the sockets are always in a jumble.

The good part is all the bits except the Zobo Forstners are now in 1 place, and the FT Centrotec rides into top of the old school systainer of the A10M.