yea, not sure what the post intensions were. if it was more of a feeler gauge to judge interest level. But, why make the file available to download if you are trying to partner with someone like fastcap. Or even let the idea out of the bag. If there is a good market for it by the time fastcap brings it to market there will already be plenty of 3d printer guys making them. Tjere are many experienced 3d guys out there that could whip that up in solidworks in a hour or two from scratch. It doesnt look like its going to sell a million units but I will say that if I was interested in purchasing a set I would much rather pay 30 from a local etsy seller than send another 10 dollars to china.
Should FastCap develop a Domino glue nozzle product?
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No.
But, the idea of having holes on the side of the tip is good. Nicely executed though.
I’d like a couple of width’s:
One narrow that’ll do regular dowels and
One covering all domino widths.
And I cannot see a tip that’s rigid without breaking very soon.
So the tip needs to be a bit flexible.
But, the idea of having holes on the side of the tip is good. Nicely executed though.
I’d like a couple of width’s:
One narrow that’ll do regular dowels and
One covering all domino widths.
And I cannot see a tip that’s rigid without breaking very soon.
So the tip needs to be a bit flexible.
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Actually that would be fine - unless - there is a patent on such which I doubt as prior art and all that ...Paul_HKI said:
The Creative Commons license mentioned is just the copyright - that is a restriction on the specific files/documents shared on the portal and stuff produced using those exact documents. Nothing to do with the idea, patent protection etc. and nothing preventing someone to create an identical design from scratch based on the published pictures /not files/.
Not trying to open a can of legal worms here, but Correct me if Im wrong. Even if there was a pat. on the metal ones. Someone could still produce and sell a variation such as these as long as there was a significant change or improvement made. For example you cant just change the color but the fact that the metal ones are made to go on the pneumatic applicator gun and these or others would screw onto a glue bottle it would be very hard to enforce the original pat. There is obviously some gray area issues at where you draw the line. For example could fastcap see this and say yea lets make and sell them but we want to make them as an accessory for our gluebot. Which If I was fastcap thats how I would want them designed. So we dont want to use your design...We will just make our own. I cant see them wanting to make them for a generic bottle when they already market and sell there own glue bottle. Either way not sure if that would be enough of a change to weasel out of pat. infringement's.
I believe what is important is what exactly was patented. If the patent was granted for a method of applying glue within mortises using a tenon shaped applicator then the material or method of propulsion would be meaningless and this would be a patent infringement. If instead the patent was for a metal glue applicator tip for pneumatic glue machines then this would be totally fair game.
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"Should FastCap develop a Domino glue nozzle product?"
I am pretty sure Steve's intent for this topic is to gauge general interest as opposed to a patent debate, or a Woodpecker's product discussion. Probably would be good to avoid clouding the intent of the topic.
Seth
I am pretty sure Steve's intent for this topic is to gauge general interest as opposed to a patent debate, or a Woodpecker's product discussion. Probably would be good to avoid clouding the intent of the topic.
Seth
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A chop stick works well for spreading the glue around in the mortise too. It also cleans up easy with just a quick swipe on a piece of paper towel or work jeans and its ready for the next time... One pair of chop sticks should last the average domino owner his or hers lifetime. Resulting in less disposable products in the land fill and less plastic in our oceans. Plus they are typically free with the purchase of a meal. The round ones fit well in Domino hole and even match up with the radius of the mortise well also works on dowel holes. 4mm dowel hole "might" be tight for average chop stick but one end could be sanded down to fit in 4mm if not.
"If" the OP intent or thought was he was going to get simple yes or no answer without the input from other members he posted on the wrong forum... [tongue] at 70k to start up make the molds patent cost etc. and a selling price of $30 bucks a pop which seems like the upper limit of what someone is willing to pay that's 2.3k units IF the $30 is all profit which we know it isnt. You still have material cost, labor, shipping cost from china/ import/duty fees etc. So, that probably puts the brake even point closer to 5k units. He said 20 hours to print the set. I'm assuming that included the base? That time could probably be cut considerably just printing the nozzle's and letting the buyer make a wood base/holder if he/she wanted. I dont own or make decisions for fastcap but its risky and dont see it happening. Partnering with a 3d guy to produce a 100 units and selling those as a market test seems more logical then posting a non patent protected product idea on an open forum.
A chop stick works well for spreading the glue around in the mortise too. It also cleans up easy with just a quick swipe on a piece of paper towel or work jeans and its ready for the next time... One pair of chop sticks should last the average domino owner his or hers lifetime. Resulting in less disposable products in the land fill and less plastic in our oceans. Plus they are typically free with the purchase of a meal. The round ones fit well in Domino hole and even match up with the radius of the mortise well also works on dowel holes. 4mm dowel hole "might" be tight for average chop stick but one end could be sanded down to fit in 4mm if not.
"If" the OP intent or thought was he was going to get simple yes or no answer without the input from other members he posted on the wrong forum... [tongue] at 70k to start up make the molds patent cost etc. and a selling price of $30 bucks a pop which seems like the upper limit of what someone is willing to pay that's 2.3k units IF the $30 is all profit which we know it isnt. You still have material cost, labor, shipping cost from china/ import/duty fees etc. So, that probably puts the brake even point closer to 5k units. He said 20 hours to print the set. I'm assuming that included the base? That time could probably be cut considerably just printing the nozzle's and letting the buyer make a wood base/holder if he/she wanted. I dont own or make decisions for fastcap but its risky and dont see it happening. Partnering with a 3d guy to produce a 100 units and selling those as a market test seems more logical then posting a non patent protected product idea on an open forum.
I have never tried chopsticks, but have found coffee stir sticks and skewers handy. The McDonald"s are longer and slightly wider than A&W's. I use each a couple of times before composting it. They're free since my wife drinks a lot.afish said:
Also to prevent/delay expansion, glue is always applied to the mortises first and the dominoes last (for edge jointing, edges first, then mortises and last dominoes).
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Im a fan of the silicone brushes too. I have even used them with epoxy. I dont use them much for dominos but other stuff yes. love the easy clean feature of silicone. I also use silicone cake decorating spatulas as stir sticks for epoxy, paint etc. cleans up easy and less landfill/ocean trash.
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Meh, I don't know. I don't butter the domino for worrying that it just gets scraped off during insertion (ahem).
I just drizzle a bit into the mortise, then use a Rockler "glue stick" to spread it around. I think any specialized nozzle would still require you to do the same.
I'd be more interested in something that would properly METER the amount of glue for above.
I just drizzle a bit into the mortise, then use a Rockler "glue stick" to spread it around. I think any specialized nozzle would still require you to do the same.
I'd be more interested in something that would properly METER the amount of glue for above.
fritter63 said:
That's a valid concern.
I spread only a little on the entry portion of the tenon, the same way we learned how to apply glue to a traditional M&T joint to avoid messy squeeze-out. A little goes a long way in this case. On the rare occasions where I do want to see squeeze-out (in a pre-masking taped set-up), I coat the whole tenon surface.
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fritter63 said:
A glue bottle with the ability to "adjust" and "meter" the glue output is a much more appealing option. It would need the ability to adjust also since different sized holes would need different amounts of glue. My glue bottle of choice is the one that comes with the ddf40 it has a small tip so it doesn't over dispense as easy. You do develop a feel on how hard and quickly to squeeze it but its not 100%. I will say that the domino glue tips do look like they help meter the glue output. they look like they fit in the mortise snugly so that seems like it would keep one from over applying. Possibly having a small recess all the way around the tip in line with the holes would help apply the glue in a more uniform and 360° fashion.
The need to have to clean up another item after every use is a big pitfall of the domino glue tips for me. Hats off on making the cleaning adaptor but I dont have a slop sink in the garage so I would need to get out the garden hose to flush it. The need to do it each time is a no go for me. Some silicone condoms to cover them might be a nice touch to reduce/eliminate cleanings.
I would also sell them separately maybe 10 bucks each or 30 full full set. Some testing would be needed to see if a silicone cap would allow someone to leave it on all the time. That way you could have a few glue bottles ready to go for your most used domino sizes and when done just cap it for next time. No, cleaning needed for shorter intervals. Im not sure how well wood glue sticks to PLA. If I didnt need to clean them every time It would be a lot more appealing.
Another thing is shipping. If you or fastcap could get them on Amazon they will sell much better. I buy almost everything I can on Amazon the speed and convenience is huge for me not sure what I average but 1k is probably a slow month with no big purchase. Having to pay 7-8 bucks to ship a 10 dollar item would keep many from ordering unless they already had an order being placed with fastcap. I would never go to fastcap and just place an order for them. But if they were on Amazon for 10 bucks each I would probably add one to an order just to test out. For example I just ordered a few different sizes of fastcaps powerhead screws from amazon. Had they not been on Amazon I most likely never would have never ordered them. It looks like fastcap is catching on too as a lot of their stuff is on Amazon now.
