Back in my Woodworking Show days Tormek came to me on 80 x 120 pallets. When you load/unload a truck every Thursday/Sunday it doesn't take long to figure out the value of standardization. US pallets are all over the place in size, always out of sync with any other pallet, never fitting together across the box of a truck or trailer. 80 x 120s fit 2 across or 3 parallel. I got to the point we required everyone that we hauled for to use my pallets.
Switching to Tanos Boxes... seeking advice
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The keyword to search for is “Mbox”. They have always had this name here and not Makpak and the contractors that work on my dayjob this system is by far the most used to this moment. Packout and Though are rare, just like original systainers are:
Mbox & Makstor
De Makita Mbox Makstor is een robuuste, stapelbare opbergbox met veel ruimte. Perfect voor het veilig en georganiseerd opbergen van gereedschap en accessoires.
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You're a lucky man !.. this is the best router ever made. I know there are Festool and Mafell routers that are "better" - I've got all of them.. but the MOF177E (made in Switzerland is the best version)... to think I've had this over 35 years and it is still going strong and still precise...
Was 'stock standard' equipment in joinery shops I worked at in the 90's/early 2000's, down here in Aus.
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The MOF177E was the first good quality router I bought 40+ years ago, and still use regularly. Absolutely amazing machine. I was lucky enough over the years to come across 2 different people selling new old stock 177's unused in the cartons (don't even know how that happens), so snapped them up quick!
I think the OF2200 is the finest router ever made, but the 177's really hold their own as unbelievably rugged and reliable work horses!
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Speaking of Systainers...
Has anyone built or used a Systainer cabinet that is double-stacked? Originally, I was thinking about a wheeled cabinet similar to a SYS PORT in style with Systainers in drawers on the front side and then storage Systainers (that wouldn't need to be accessed often) on the back side - you'd just spin it around to access the back. The cabinet would be 920mm high, 463mm wide and 600mm deep.
Today I was thinking that instead of accessing the back side, why not put in 24" drawer slides and have two systainers per shelf? Has anyone made something like this, or worked with this kind of setup? If so, how did you find it? Thanks!
Has anyone built or used a Systainer cabinet that is double-stacked? Originally, I was thinking about a wheeled cabinet similar to a SYS PORT in style with Systainers in drawers on the front side and then storage Systainers (that wouldn't need to be accessed often) on the back side - you'd just spin it around to access the back. The cabinet would be 920mm high, 463mm wide and 600mm deep.
Today I was thinking that instead of accessing the back side, why not put in 24" drawer slides and have two systainers per shelf? Has anyone made something like this, or worked with this kind of setup? If so, how did you find it? Thanks!
Having 2 systainers per pull out shelf has been shown here before, usually in combination with a MFT cart, BUT searching for it will probably be a pain and there might be a lack of images. I hope someone helps you out.
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Yeah, I have seen it done, but I don't remember who? Maybe @woodbutcherbower he has something unique about the way his worked, in his van. I don't remember exactly what though.
Mine are deeper than the need to be, for a single, but not enough for two. I just use the space behind for consumables (sandpaper, accessories, jigs, etc
Mine are deeper than the need to be, for a single, but not enough for two. I just use the space behind for consumables (sandpaper, accessories, jigs, etc
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I remember you posting about that and thinking "that's a clever idea." and even bought 14" slides with that in mind (for the under the workbench sys storage that "I'm still planning").
Thankfully they are still available in Europe. They even introduced new assortment boxes lately in the SYS I form factor. They still source their original SYS-SORTs and other non-common types from TANOS. Not sure who makes the Makpaks for them though.
I guess Makita just withdrew these from the US, given how even the Systainers are seen as "fragile" in that market.
Really, Makpak never made sense in the US as here Systainer pretty much means Festool, and the fact that the Makpak were based on the old Systainers that don't play all that well with Systainer³s as another strike against them.
Now with MAKTRAK, I wish Makita USA would abandon the blow mold cases and ship more tools (like their framing nailers) in a MAKTRAK instead.
That said, I love my Systainer³s and have purchased way too many of them over the past year.
I'd caution anyone looking at TANOS to check Festool first; several boxes are now cheaper as their Festool variants than the TANOS models on the US Systainer Store (for example, the TANOS Systainer³ Sortainer/3 M 337 is $155 at the Systainer Store site, the Festool version is now $139.)
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Care to elaborate ?
The SYS3 compatibility with Classics is identical as with the T-Locs. As in, all the "normal" size ones interlock with Classics. No issues that I am aware of.
Also, I have mentioned it specifically because Classics /and Makpacs/ are superior for drawer use in a shop - which the OP may not have been aware of.
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You can just pop the T off and then clearance in a drawer is just as good as the Classic Sys.
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The more rectangular and ribfee interior of the classic systainers/Mbox is still superior to any of the T-loc models. Price of Makita boxes is about half of Tanos/Festool and they are still stackable and lockable to T-loc if you put the Mbox on the bottom first.
If you need a lot of boxes or you are a private user it is hard to pass on the Makita boxes, I like them just as much if not more then the T-loc and I own both. Opening the two latches is also more intuitive then rotating the T-handle in my opinion and the Sys3 has different heights, so there is a lot going for the classics.
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Not sure if you have a 3D print or access to one. These are great if you’re going to get more of them. They also sell them. I’ve found being completely switched over that it’s kind of a pain to pull everything off
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Can you say more? Further insight please.
I’m assuming you were using this one on MakerWorld. It is auto-translated to English.
The comments are very helpful:
- T-Loc (nope) versus Sys3 (yes)
- Internal width of the cabinet
Systainer³ Rail Pro - Free 3D Print Model - MakerWorld
Download this free 3D print file designed by 一百. 费斯托抽屉轨道 FESTOOL Systainer³ case rails相同设置PLA的强度也还行BiliBili~ 更新日志2023/12/15 10:49首次发布整根打印，M4自攻螺丝2023/12/21 09:37利用开槽使得轨道可以滑动13cm，工具箱拉出后可直接打开2024/01/07 19:44抽拉款滑轮孔径增加至5mm普通款模型优化，一体性增强，螺丝孔径增加至5mm，最外侧螺丝孔加长，方便安装时调节2024/03/19 10:37:03新增Systainer³...
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The difficulty with these sliders (which I really like the concept) is that they require a large format printer to do it in one piece. I've got a Bambu P1S and the bed is too small for these sliders.Can you say more? Further insight please.
I’m assuming you were using this one on MakerWorld. It is auto-translated to English.
The comments are very helpful:
- T-Loc (nope) versus Sys3 (yes)
- Internal width of the cabinet
Systainer³ Rail Pro - Free 3D Print Model - MakerWorld
Download this free 3D print file designed by 一百. 费斯托抽屉轨道 FESTOOL Systainer³ case rails相同设置PLA的强度也还行BiliBili~ 更新日志2023/12/15 10:49首次发布整根打印，M4自攻螺丝2023/12/21 09:37利用开槽使得轨道可以滑动13cm，工具箱拉出后可直接打开2024/01/07 19:44抽拉款滑轮孔径增加至5mm普通款模型优化，一体性增强，螺丝孔径增加至5mm，最外侧螺丝孔加长，方便安装时调节2024/03/19 10:37:03新增Systainer³...
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I printed these on my p1s. You just have to put it at a 45 on the build plate and you can do one at a time
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yeah im using the ones I posted. In my shed it's just easier to pull out the ones I need for that day. I printed them in PETG and they are holding up great. I accidentally printed the v1 for a few but the v2 are better in my opinion.Can you say more? Further insight please.
I’m assuming you were using this one on MakerWorld. It is auto-translated to English.
The comments are very helpful:
- T-Loc (nope) versus Sys3 (yes)
- Internal width of the cabinet
Systainer³ Rail Pro - Free 3D Print Model - MakerWorld
Download this free 3D print file designed by 一百. 费斯托抽屉轨道 FESTOOL Systainer³ case rails相同设置PLA的强度也还行BiliBili~ 更新日志2023/12/15 10:49首次发布整根打印，M4自攻螺丝2023/12/21 09:37利用开槽使得轨道可以滑动13cm，工具箱拉出后可直接打开2024/01/07 19:44抽拉款滑轮孔径增加至5mm普通款模型优化，一体性增强，螺丝孔径增加至5mm，最外侧螺丝孔加长，方便安装时调节2024/03/19 10:37:03新增Systainer³...
onocoffee
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Really? I will give it a try then. PETG?
Edit: Just saw your other post after posting this. I will give it a got in PETG.
Having a buttload of systainers myself, i love the system, especially when bringing tools in the house to work on a house project. I like my stuff all organized together too.
I bought a ton of the classic Sortainers when there was a big sale a few years ago; They are great just for small parts though; i'd gladly trade some for the newer style with the bigger drawers.
Honestly my only complaint is you can't get the systainers in color across all the types; color systainers are only available in the regular sized ones which is a bummer. One day!
I bought a ton of the classic Sortainers when there was a big sale a few years ago; They are great just for small parts though; i'd gladly trade some for the newer style with the bigger drawers.
Honestly my only complaint is you can't get the systainers in color across all the types; color systainers are only available in the regular sized ones which is a bummer. One day!
