The Dust Deputy?
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I was able to click on the link, in the previous post, to see the photos - my router table is also on the photobucket site, so I need to get better at both the FOG & Photobucket ...
The SDD setup was designed by TechRedNeck (LumberJocks), and he posted a blog on LumberJocks showing his construction of the design. My version is similar. The container rests on 3" posts, which when removed, allow the container to separate from the SDD, for emptying.
The DD is crammed into a small space - it's a dust can from my perspective - so, it has a lot going-on around the physical space. Anyone wanting further information on either setup, please let me know.
The SDD setup was designed by TechRedNeck (LumberJocks), and he posted a blog on LumberJocks showing his construction of the design. My version is similar. The container rests on 3" posts, which when removed, allow the container to separate from the SDD, for emptying.
The DD is crammed into a small space - it's a dust can from my perspective - so, it has a lot going-on around the physical space. Anyone wanting further information on either setup, please let me know.
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I can't fathom someone not buying the UDD because it's ugly. I buy tools for their function, not to have something to just look at and say "boy ain't she pretty"
I will bet people claiming loss of suction are having issues with hoses not being put in tightly, or their lid is not sealing properly because of improper gasket installation. There's absolutely no suction loss for me. I don't work for Oneida and the poo- pooing of the product is completely unwarranted.
I will bet people claiming loss of suction are having issues with hoses not being put in tightly, or their lid is not sealing properly because of improper gasket installation. There's absolutely no suction loss for me. I don't work for Oneida and the poo- pooing of the product is completely unwarranted.
==> I buy tools for their function
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Have both the UDD and long life bag. I use the UDD on a mini as a shop-vac and the capacity/ease of emptying (I use the bag insert option) exceeds the CT-LLB in term of pure function. I seriously doubt you loose any suction -- I just haven't seen it on a mini, midi, or 26.
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Have both the UDD and long life bag. I use the UDD on a mini as a shop-vac and the capacity/ease of emptying (I use the bag insert option) exceeds the CT-LLB in term of pure function. I seriously doubt you loose any suction -- I just haven't seen it on a mini, midi, or 26.
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Agree on the functionality aspect, who really cares how it looks as long as it works.
I think the people that are losing suction aren't actually using the Dust Deputy made specifically for Festool, but are using the Dust Deputy with a modified Festool systainer or some other container.
The general concept is good.... capture 98% of the dust via a cyclone. Large capture of the UDD is nice...bags hardly get any dust. I have the UDD, its not without its shortcomings, and often you end up modifying it... static tape in hose, more rigid connections, suction bag hold down is hit or miss...etc. Onieda support is the worst I have experienced with any ww company in USA. For that reason, I will never support them with product purchases. I agree with others, these are cash cows for Onieda. Also, the UDD is plastic, it bends .... if I were to ever do this again, I would use a metal cyclone. Anyway, based on how you use your Festool Vac, you might find rig up a cyclone system that works best for your needs.
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Jsands, could you explain a little what you mean that the plastic bends. The moulded plastic is so thick, there's no way you could bend it, it's made so sturdy, the box that is, I could jump on it on any side and it wouldnt affect it at all. I don't use static tape or even the static tape that came with it, not sure why that would be needed. Sorry to hear about their support system, but there's no need to modify mine in any way. I wonder how old yours is, cause mines three months old and it sounds like you're describing a completely different product.
==> it sounds like you're describing a completely different product
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I also have a UDD that is only a few months old. There is no way to 'bend' the plastic unless you seriously abuse the product. You do have to mod the unit a little to use FT hoses, but that is really quite minor and a small complaint. I agree that the geometry of the rig makes 'towing' it behind the hose more problematic then a dedicated shop vac, but not sure that is the intended purpose. For me, i just purchased a 7m FT hose so very little need to shift the vac position.
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I also have a UDD that is only a few months old. There is no way to 'bend' the plastic unless you seriously abuse the product. You do have to mod the unit a little to use FT hoses, but that is really quite minor and a small complaint. I agree that the geometry of the rig makes 'towing' it behind the hose more problematic then a dedicated shop vac, but not sure that is the intended purpose. For me, i just purchased a 7m FT hose so very little need to shift the vac position.
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Hhh, what did you have to do to mod the hose? I use the 36 mm festool hose and the white PVC step down connector oneida sent with the unit, so is that the mod you are referring to? It works great for me. The connection is strong enough that I pull my ac36 along all over the place while I was using the planex. The festool vac and it's large wheels didn't come close to tipping over with the UDD. I vacuumed four rooms of a rather large apartment yesterday and I was even able to pull the vac over the 3/4" thresholds between all the rooms. It would be next to impossible to tip it over from the front pulling it. Now if the wheels hit a thick rug and you were pulling it from the side, obviously that would be a limitation. I wish I had a video of it to show how well I can pull it around by the hose. But if I'm using the vac with my ts55 on my ultimate workbench, I don't want the vac to move at all. I'll even use the brake on the vac because I want the vac to stay put when I'm working on my workbench. I feel it hard to swallow people are having a hard time tipping it over, I've dragged mine all over the place and it has never tipped once.
there is another udd thread listing some mods... basically, you trim 2cm from the hose input and FT hoses works fine. if you trim 2cm from the DC port, you can flip the box lid and store the DD inside the black box with the hoses for more compact/protected transport.
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Ah, sweet, cutting the cyclone in-port actually went through my mind but after using it with the adapter I decided I'd leave the cyclone alone. I'm going to cut it next time is use it now! I could barely fit the UDD in my wifes suburu yesterday without laying it on it's side. The idea of inverting the cyclone inside the box would have been real handy. Good stuff, thanks hhh
Not sure if you're referring to my post where I cut off both nozzles on the dust deputy, but I can't take credit either as I read it somewhere as well and decided to give it a go as I didn't want to use their adapter. Nice fit now and I like that I can flip it upside down to fit in the systainer.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/ultimate-oneida-cyclone-dust-collector-for-festool-vacs/msg213447/#msg213447
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/ultimate-oneida-cyclone-dust-collector-for-festool-vacs/msg213447/#msg213447
> Jsands, could you explain a little what you mean that the plastic bends. The moulded plastic is so thick, there's no way you could bend it, it's made so sturdy, the box that is, I could jump on it on any side and it wouldnt affect it at all.
I should have been more clear.... I was referring to the cyclone itself.... my UDD model, the cyclone is plastic, have they switch to the metal cyclone? When putting a Y connector on the infeed, and yanking on the hose, within reason, the plastic cyclone infeed bends, as well as the lid of the capture box, as the cyclone puts pressure on it, as you are pulling from the top of the cyclone. So far its survived, so should not knock the product too harshly .... but considering the price this came out at, $250, it could have been more robust IMO. No matter how hard you try NOT to yank the vac by the hose, it always happens...I use the larger hoses as well, 36 and 50mm, they are heavier....
An interesting concept, would be to place the UDD very high, with storage systainers below, or some custom built box.... then, the height of the UDD can act as a boom arm, stopping the hose from being caught on table edges when using the TS75 and routers.... some day I might do this in lieu of a boom arm. Since I use vac for floor sweep and tools, a high UDD would be more compatible with both uses.
I should have been more clear.... I was referring to the cyclone itself.... my UDD model, the cyclone is plastic, have they switch to the metal cyclone? When putting a Y connector on the infeed, and yanking on the hose, within reason, the plastic cyclone infeed bends, as well as the lid of the capture box, as the cyclone puts pressure on it, as you are pulling from the top of the cyclone. So far its survived, so should not knock the product too harshly .... but considering the price this came out at, $250, it could have been more robust IMO. No matter how hard you try NOT to yank the vac by the hose, it always happens...I use the larger hoses as well, 36 and 50mm, they are heavier....
An interesting concept, would be to place the UDD very high, with storage systainers below, or some custom built box.... then, the height of the UDD can act as a boom arm, stopping the hose from being caught on table edges when using the TS75 and routers.... some day I might do this in lieu of a boom arm. Since I use vac for floor sweep and tools, a high UDD would be more compatible with both uses.
