Tools Festool should make
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Bohdan said:
Yes they were a great little saw. I've had at least 5 of them in my time. I was thinking of something along the same vain but the mitre saw needs to be sliding and a lot more accurate. Lighter and legs that fold rather than having to do the Elu leg shake at the end of the day. One leg would never come off
just writing that takes me back 
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Lol thanks for bringing a memory back for meRoadkilled said:Bohdan said:
Yes they were a great little saw. I've had at least 5 of them in my time. I was thinking of something along the same vain but the mitre saw needs to be sliding and a lot more accurate. Lighter and legs that fold rather than having to do the Elu leg shake at the end of the day. One leg would never come off
. I had one of those saws when I started out in the 90s. I remember having to lift it and shake for the legs to drop out. Great saws powerful and accurate. All Elu stuff was good until dewalt ruined it.
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Since Festool contracts both companies, they should cater to every GarageJournal forum member's wet dream: Wiha drivers with Wera handles.
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Would it be possible to make a low profile router with a body similar to the ETS EC sanders?
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I wish they'd put a battery gauge on their batteries.
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Thank you Seth.
A year ago I was on this site multiple times a day; earmarking many posts which were helpful to me in my woodshop endeavors. Then this forum devolved rather quickly into a place where people were rude, personally attacking others, nothing but bitching about Festool - tools and company, and now it is rare that I find stimulating, useful sharing of ideas, tool insights, etc. There are a few notable exceptions, but many of the serious contributors have stopped showing up. Too bad, too bad for us all - enthusiasts, professionals, those interested in learning more - too bad.
There you have it from my perspective.
A year ago I was on this site multiple times a day; earmarking many posts which were helpful to me in my woodshop endeavors. Then this forum devolved rather quickly into a place where people were rude, personally attacking others, nothing but bitching about Festool - tools and company, and now it is rare that I find stimulating, useful sharing of ideas, tool insights, etc. There are a few notable exceptions, but many of the serious contributors have stopped showing up. Too bad, too bad for us all - enthusiasts, professionals, those interested in learning more - too bad.
There you have it from my perspective.
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I've said this before in the other posts but I'd like some non-innovative basic tools so I can stick with 1 battery platform. I understand that Festool is a company of innovation and they seemingly prefer to releasing game changing tools (like the Conturo). But I would appreicate it if they could swallow their pride and make a basic 18V cordless reciprocating saw, 18V impact driver and a cordless portable band saw (one similar to Dewalt's or Milwaukee's, I don't need one as big as Mafell's because I just use them for metal cutting).
I have a feeling that an 18V impact is in the near future, but I suspect the other 2 aren't.
I have a feeling that an 18V impact is in the near future, but I suspect the other 2 aren't.
TelcoRandy said:
I completely agree and personally I would even be okay with it if they did what Fein has done with their impact driver. They make a high quality drill in Germany, the ASCM, but then had the impact made by someone else to work with the same battery platform.
I wonder if Festool could not find a partner whereby there was an adapter available such that a Festool battery would fit onto a Dewalt, for example, tool body with a 1" thick interface between them. Maybe they don't even need permission from another manufacturer, or maybe a completely separate third-party could make it. Unlikely to ever happen but it sure would be interesting to see something like that. I suspect it would have to be a third-party because the manufacturers have a vested interest in this not happening.
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Sorry, festool should stay out of the battery powered everything market, you want that go buy a ryobi, Milwaukee, makita etc. Cordless tools are novelty tools for the most part. I prefer cords on most tools.
They should stick to innovation, not trying to make a full line of stuff just to compete with box store crap.
I am not spending 500 bucks on a reciprocating saw when my 200.00 Milwaukee has been going strong for 15 years. Makes no sense to make a bunch of stuff a handful of people would buy.
I still stick with the few select stationery machines, there are some that are only offered by those crappy asian companies and they suck, think sanding machines.
They should stick to innovation, not trying to make a full line of stuff just to compete with box store crap.
I am not spending 500 bucks on a reciprocating saw when my 200.00 Milwaukee has been going strong for 15 years. Makes no sense to make a bunch of stuff a handful of people would buy.
I still stick with the few select stationery machines, there are some that are only offered by those crappy asian companies and they suck, think sanding machines.
johnleve said:
This is something for which I would not hold my breath. Can you imagine the finger pointing when something goes wrong? There is a degree of communication that takes place between a battery and the tool to which it is attached, especially in Festool's case but more and more so with everyone. Unless there is a standard to which everyone can agree and build to I think interchangeability between brands is a non-starter. Also, once a standard is in place you can kiss innovation goodbye. Certain standards become too limiting and the incentive to improve a feature is less desirable if it can be easily transferred to a tool someone else makes.
Battery technology is on a steep curve. I think it wiser to stay out of everyone's way for now. Maybe in another decade or so it will slow down and a 'standard' may make more sense. Just try to pick the best wave when you commit.
Jeesh, in another decade I'll probably be too old to take advantage. [crying]
WarnerConstCo. said:
I have a number of tools in both corded and cordless and I agree that the corded is often the better tool. This summer I tore down my garage and the corded reciprocating saw was used much more often than the cordless. I however really did like having the cordless option for small jobs where it was easier to just pick up the cordless and slap in a battery for 10 minutes of use rather than running an extension cord out. The cordless varieties were also incredibly nice to have when working on the roof; for example cutting out the vent holes was a great use of the cordless circular saw, especially for me since I am afraid of heights and having cords laying about on the roof is more dangerous for me than it would be for others.
Personally I really like having cordless drills and don't think that I could ever give that up. Is that one of the tools where you prefer the cordless? It would be kind of fun to see what tools people prefer to have corded vs cordless and in what percent, I don't know how to do it but perhaps someone could make some polls regarding common tools.
I don't know if it is one or the other in terms of innovation vs. full line but if it is then I would side with you and ask for innovation.
In defense of Asia I just want to mention that crappy tools can, and are, made all over the place. I do take COO into account when making purchases but it is not a definitive indicator of quality.
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Holmz said:
I agree (surprised?)
I do revel in uniformity and order and that's one of the reasons why Festool is the core of my woodworking tools. You just can't expect Festool to make the best of everything and it would be counter intuitive to bring out average tools at what would still be higher than average prices.
I'd actually like to see Tanos get heavily into the space of making Systainer inserts for a grater variety of premium tools or maybe some ultra clever insert forming tech beyond the messing about with the cutting of foam.
Don't get me started on battery compatibility ... proprietary lithium battery packs and chargers have gone quite insane. A standard would both allow manufacturers to focus on their tools rather than the battery tech and would also bring about an explosion in cordless technologies.
Look at the rubbish little battery on the cordless Dyson .. great little vac, rubbish battery that lasts about 7 minutes [mad] [sad]
I've thought about the battery thing a bit and thought an adaptor would be the go, but further thinking made me consider the tool manufacturer's styling needs and therefore a battery module and cartridge would probably work better ... the cartridge would be the after market battery that fits in a common charger, the module would be brand specific to house the cartridge battery.
Holmz said:
A single battery platform is a significant plus for me. I am not sure what monetary value to place on it but to me it would not be an insignificant one. It might even be as high as 50% or on the other side buying less than the best tool available to keep with the same battery.
I have an older cordless set that I have built up over the years with the following tools: impact, drill, hammer drill, reciprocating saw, circular saw, two lights, vacuum, and a multi-tool; some of the tools are good and others are not. For those tools I have 5 batteries, two 2ah, two 3ah, and one 4ah; and for those batteries I have three chargers. I have one charger mounted on the wall at home and the other two are with the tools for when I take them places. I am never without a fully charged battery and can swap them around between tools as needed. This summer I used all the juice from 4 of the 5 batteries in a combination of tools when charging the batteries would have required a trip to an outlet which was inconvenient. That is my experience and others have different needs but that is why I stuck with a single battery platform even though there were better tools available in another line.
I also have a CSX but that charger always stays at home as it would be very rare to use more than two battery charges for what I use it for.
I recently added the Fein ASCM because I wanted a better drill and it will be interesting to see whether or not I end up thinking that two battery platforms is as big of a deal a year from now once I have experienced it first hand. I may very well come to agree with those who do not see as much value in a single battery platform.
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Seems to be a preoccupation with batteries and battery operated equipment. Maybe this a return to the work shops of our ancestors and the yearning for hand tools.... Maybe Festool should just reissue the Yankee drill or hand auger. Look Ma... no batteries, no cords....!
Back to the basic question:
1. Make a self-centering trim stop for the Domino system. The after-market self centering guide is being re-worked and combined with the first guide stop device. Should be out in the next few weeks. But Festool missed the boat on this need.
2. Re-think the band saw and the task of re-sawing. Think of a hand-held horizontal band saw that is guided by the track system that allows re-sawing of planks. Second, create a new band saw with a horizontal blade and extension stable so the wood lies flat on the table and is guided through a horizontal rather than a vertical blade. (make it safe to operate, a real challenge) The design of the band saw has not changed since the early days but the band saw is good for curves and re-sawing. I am advocating dividing the tasks and creating a new tool that is specific to re-sawing either in a hand operated saw or floor machine.
3. There has to be a way to get the functionality of drill press in a hand held device that allows for straight on center drilling. There are a couple of devices out there that require taking off the chuck and adding it to a drill guide. There must be a way of coming up with a clamp on guide that eliminates the operator trying to keep the drill straight. Perhaps a drill could be made with a flat platform similar to the Domino configuration. This would allow add-ons similar to the trim-stop. Having the functionality of drill press in the field has to have some demand.
4. Re-think the process of cutting down sheet goods. Come up with an entirely new clamping system to accommodate 4 x 8 sheets. This would in effect be a two way track system that would make it easier to make cuts in two directions.
Back to the basic question:
1. Make a self-centering trim stop for the Domino system. The after-market self centering guide is being re-worked and combined with the first guide stop device. Should be out in the next few weeks. But Festool missed the boat on this need.
2. Re-think the band saw and the task of re-sawing. Think of a hand-held horizontal band saw that is guided by the track system that allows re-sawing of planks. Second, create a new band saw with a horizontal blade and extension stable so the wood lies flat on the table and is guided through a horizontal rather than a vertical blade. (make it safe to operate, a real challenge) The design of the band saw has not changed since the early days but the band saw is good for curves and re-sawing. I am advocating dividing the tasks and creating a new tool that is specific to re-sawing either in a hand operated saw or floor machine.
3. There has to be a way to get the functionality of drill press in a hand held device that allows for straight on center drilling. There are a couple of devices out there that require taking off the chuck and adding it to a drill guide. There must be a way of coming up with a clamp on guide that eliminates the operator trying to keep the drill straight. Perhaps a drill could be made with a flat platform similar to the Domino configuration. This would allow add-ons similar to the trim-stop. Having the functionality of drill press in the field has to have some demand.
4. Re-think the process of cutting down sheet goods. Come up with an entirely new clamping system to accommodate 4 x 8 sheets. This would in effect be a two way track system that would make it easier to make cuts in two directions.
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