Walko Workbench DRAW sign up (ON HOLD)

Again that is entirely up to Matthew, I see nowhere he has said its back on.
 
peter halle said:
...If we break this down to the basics:

A member of this forum wants to give a gift to the forum.
The administrator would be the receivor of the gift.
The administrator of the forum wishes to increases support fees for the forum.
As a thank you for the increased support the administrator has decided to not keep the gift.
The administrator will give this gift to a supporter who has submitted a donation in the amount of $10 between the dates of xxxxxx and xxxxx and was a member of the forum on the first xxxx date.
A member of the forum has agreed to help collect money thru his paypal account and will forward the funds to the administrator.
Whereas there are expenses that will be attributable to the transfer of the gift from the original giver to the administrator and then from the administrator to the final receiver, in the interest of keeping costs the lowest, and maximizing the retrun to the Forum, the administrator authorizers the receiver(s) of the funds to disperse the necessary funds to pay for the transfers and other other costs of receiving the gift and then forward the remaining proceeds to the forum administrator.
Whereas the forum administrator is too bogged down with the admin work he has asked another forum member to assist in selecting a name at random from the list of supporters that fit the criteria by whatever means he / she decides.

That helper gives the name of the selected forum supporter to the administrator and then the administrator decides if the candidate is worthy of the gift.
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The way Peter describes this is exactly the way I see it.  That's a good description of how this drawing should work.

If Nick and Henrik can run it the way Peter describes, we can put it back on.

I hope everyone understands that I am very interested in seeing the contest happen.  I really like contests, as they get members involved in the forum.  Please don't miconstrue anything I have said as a lack of support.

Anyway, it's up to Nick and Henrik.  Do you want to use Peter's description as a guideline for your contest?

Thanks,
Matthew
 
I have had a concern from the beginning.  I feel Nick has done the necessary footwork.
Peter has come up with a scenario that is mind boggling.  Confusing enough to blow the mind of any tax man
Matthew has merely added to the confusion and now Nick has given Matthew and the FOG a way to be in the clear.
My dear departed aunt used to listen to soap operas daily.
This is better than any soap opera.
I say >>>>>>> LET'S GET ON WITH IT. 8)
Tinker

 
Tinker said:
Matthew has merely added to the confusion and now Nick has given Matthew and the FOG a way to be in the clear.
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I'm not sure if I follow your statement.  How have I added to the confusion?  I'm actually trying to clear things up.

My interest is to find a way to make this work as a benefit to everyone, but to make sure it makes sense.

Thanks,
Matthew
 
Tinker:

I don't think that it ever really had to do with taxes.  I think that it had to do with the laws that are in place regulating gambling that are there to make sure that lotteries are conducted in a truly random manner.  Anyone can give a gift to whomever they wish up to certain dollar limits without tax consequesnces - at least here in the US.

Hopefully some FOG supporter will be getting a gift.

Peter
 
After reading Peter's idea I think we'd be better off calling it a drawing. This kind of convoluted gifting and exchanging of monies is the exact thing that are red flags to the IRS. Farther complicating this matter is the fact that it's an international exchanging of gifts and monies. We can't begin to fathom the tax and other legal implications. Remember it's Matthew that is possibly on the line for the worst of this if this goes wrong. He's got the most to lose so let make sure he is comfortable with how this proceeds. 
 
How does Matthew have anything to lose at all if he is not running it or condoning it. Every forum always states that anything said or done in a post does not reflect on them. Just like a commercial on TV where they the channel states they have nothing to do with the contents, the people that provide a forum are not responsible for the posters actions in any way and if Matthew does not state that in his terms he better.

Matthew has nothing to lose at all I just do not get it.,

Matthew has presented nothing at all to us stating that what we are doing is wrong, nothing stating that what we are doing is not legal and nothing stating what he possibly could face. Why? because there is nothing in my opinion and he can not find anything.

Please post what Matthew can lose and on what grounds and I will listen; You will find nothing, thats my point. Matthew put this on hold becasue someone (who knows who) said it may be illegal. So  show me a law that covers an internet drawing for no profit is illegal and who is the entity in charge.

I am the one that has something to lose NOT Matthew. I collected the money. Matthew is not even involved in this and he did not sanction it either so that is a bunch of crap.

I still have no idea why this is stopped in the first place. We are doing this ass backward. Show me why we CAN NOT DO IT. Don't tell me to show that we can. Rules and laws tell what is illegal not what is legal. There will be no law saying you can do something only that you can not do something.. There is nothing regulating the internet at all, period. Not yet.

Please tell me what will happen if we just finish this. First off someone would have to complain and to who. My attorney does not even know who anyone could complain to and until something happened he could not even fathom what the complaint would be.

I doubt Matthew has as much to lose as I do.

This wonderful giveaway has been ruined. I'll be refunding the 10.00 each on Monday. I am sick and tired of reading this thread, but since I am involved I have to. This was ruined by the moderator he stopped this on hearsay giving us no solid concrete reason why. He wants proof he can not be hurt well that is impossible.

Go here and find whatever you need to justify what has happened here.

http://www.lawguru.com/ilawlib/

And yes I have an attitude and i am pissed and think I should be at this point. This has been in limbo long enough and Matthew should never had lest us start in the first place if he was going to stop it.

All Henrik and I were doing was something nice and now I have to feel aggravated over it? That is why many people never get involved in these things I guess. If you do not feel I should have an attitude at this point that is on you, not me. So please do not tell me settle down etc. I know exactly what I am saying and am very calm and have held my thoughts on this long enough.
 
nickao said:
This wonderful giveaway has been ruined. I'll be refunding the 10.00 each on Monday. I am sick and tired of reading this thread, but since I am involved I have to. This was ruined by the moderator he stopped this on hearsay giving us no solid concrete reason why. He wants proof he can not be hurt well that is impossible.
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Hi Nickao

I was seconds from writing one of these "Im out'a here" posts that I often regrets afterward. Glad I didn't but I share your disappointment. What started out as yet another very fine example of what the internet also can be with Henriks more than generous offer and idea were soon followed by others ... just to crash land on a bumpy road of ifs, maybes and 'better-safe-than-sorries'.

If this goes down the drain I (again) say thanks and kindly ask you to keep my 10$ for all your effort. Go buy a beer or whatever  :)
 
I am not "out of here" as they say. Pretty much done with this fiasco though.

Thanks for the offer. I think my daughter my find it simpler to refund everyone's money, she does all that on google, but thanks so much!

PLEASE No one needs to get negative anymore or on Matthews back as I think I have said enough, no reason to rehash it over and over. It just is impossible to provide a document guarantying Matthew is safe, it's just impossible. I can not guarantee anything to anyone. Except that the winner would have received a Walko.
 
nickao said:
.........Please post what Matthew can lose and on what grounds and I will listen; You will find nothing, thats my point. Matthew put this on hold becasue someone (who knows who) said it may be illegal. So  show me a law that covers an internet drawing for no profit is illegal and who is the entity in charge.
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One big problem, as I see it, is that there is a profit and it's going to the FOG. The legality and tax implications are real and Matthew would be responsible if there are laws being broken. And he's responsible for paying the appropriate taxes.   

I am the one that has something to lose NOT Matthew. I collected the money. Matthew is not even involved in this and he did not sanction it either so that is a bunch of crap.
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I don't know how the collection is structured on Google but it seems like a sale, you'd may well be responsible for paying income tax on that money at minimum.

I understand your frustration but maybe we jumped into this without the necessary forethought. 

 
Hendrik and Nick,

I am willing to help in anyway I can to make this happen.

Regarding all the tax implications, there will be several is my guess.  Hendrik, Nick, Matthew, and the ultimate recipient.  I think that everyone has expected that and has been willing to deal with them.  Don't you think that if I won such a cool prize I would gladly declare its value as taxable income.

My guess is that was has Matthew spooked is the selling of chances to win and those possible implications.  I doubt that it is the tax implications because any donation to him may have to be reported as income anyway.

Peter

 
Brice Burrell said:
nickao said:
.........Please post what Matthew can lose and on what grounds and I will listen; You will find nothing, thats my point. Matthew put this on hold becasue someone (who knows who) said it may be illegal. So  show me a law that covers an internet drawing for no profit is illegal and who is the entity in charge.
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One big problem, as I see it, is that there is a profit and it's going to the FOG. The legality and tax implications are real and Matthew would be responsible if there are laws being broken. And he's responsible for paying the appropriate taxes.   

I am the one that has something to lose NOT Matthew. I collected the money. Matthew is not even involved in this and he did not sanction it either so that is a bunch of crap.
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I don't know how the collection is structured on Google but it seems like a sale, you'd may well be responsible for paying income tax on that money at minimum.

I understand your frustration but maybe we jumped into this without the necessary forethought. 
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No, No forethought is required. Overgeneralizing and over analyzing and worrying seems to be a huge problem with Matthew and a few others.

Brice there is no issue and I already said I would pay all the taxes. Any money Matthew would get he would treat exactly how he does when we give support contributions. I would give it to him through paypal just like the last two times I did. There is no "profit" if anything it is a loss for me. Matthew treats the money Like he has the dozens of previous donations.

You say we started without forethought? Well I am asking forethought of what?

You respond and are just another post failing to say black and white why exactly we can't so this. This can or may happen. I already said my attorney said not even to worry about it. There is no one else I can even contact to ask whether this is allowed or not as once I tell any agency it is on the internet they all say the same thing, they are not involved.

What more can I possibly do to convince anyone, that is why I said I was done, this is ridiculous for me to even discuss it anymore.

In it's simplest terms this is really on Matthew as we asked and got permission, than he stopped it. Maybe it is him that the forethought idea was referring to.
 
Peter, Brice and all;
I am sad to see the draw circling the drain. I cannot understand (yes, I can be naive) how a non profit one time off draw can cause real problems. For my part I am simply the donor of the prize, no money involved and I am overseas so I am in the clear, whatever one might think of it. What would IRS do? Send me a letter? To what address? I understand Matthew and everyone who has a concern about the legal issues and  I feel slightly put off by the development of the whole thing which started out nicely and then plummeted and now is at a stand still.

If there is not swift resolve to the concerns I will simply withdraw, reluctantly, my offer for the Walko workbench.  I am not nearly as busy as Nickao but I do have heaps of work piling up on me and have had only ONE day (tomorrow) off work for nineteen days so there is only so much effort I can put into this affair. My only concern is making sure everyone gets their admissions back. Received word from Nickao that it would not be a big deal so if I don't get a green light or word from Matthew by Monday the draw is off.
If the draw is cancelled you all have my apologies, and I hope you understand my reasons.  

best regards, Henrik

 
I only ask that no one destroy my star rating with a negative review after refunds are given through Google, for something that is beyond my control.
 
I also ask the fellow FOG'ers not to give negative feedback to Nickao for this - it is definitely beyond his control. Direct all hate-mail directly to me and skip the middle man. And bare with us while Nick sorts out the reimbursement of the admissions.
/ Henrik

 
hm - maybe i'm naive but why on earth should anyone want to take it out on the one who wanted to donate a very impressive, expensive and attractive gift or the one that offered to deal with the paying of the agreed 'draw-fee' ?
 
meldgaard, I am just thinking there will be a few disappointed members out there and maybe some who might think they would be scammed on their admissions. Our intention would be to reimburse everyone and put this behind us and keep up the good work and friendly climate on the forum.

I am off the Forum until monday as I am busy and won't have access to a computer from now on and until then. (Digging out an underground walkway in between two houses, hoping it will not cave in on me...)

/ Henrik
 
No wonder Nickao makes such great medallions!

I have a feeling each of them actually starts out as a kitchen cabinet, but his habit of cut first measure later means that he ends up with an increasing pile of randomly shaped and sized offcuts. He then goes into a frenzy of flinging them around the workshop, until eventually some of them form pleasing shapes that he glues and markets as medallions.
 
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