What tool is more heavy duty,Bosch or Festool?

[CumminsDiesel]

hi diesel. in your profile it says wa.

what does wa mean?

down under we would easily make the mistake of saying you are from w.a. (western australia).
i am guessing you are not aussie.......

regards, justin.

No problem,justin,its means state Washington,USA.

 

[Deansocial]

Well, ???,there is problem for me.Actually I'm a picky man,and for me a precision and quality is very important.For me DeWalt seems to be not heavy duty.My brother work for a big company and they use a lot of DeWalt grinders,now they use only all Bosch grinders,he said all DeWalt just can't stand with a heavy duty metal work.So,I think weight is not a big factor for me,I need a tool for so many years,so the precision,quality and durability is important.

think is you're not buying a grinder! I have a bosch grinder and it will be replaced with a hilti as after 1 big repointing job it sounds very very poorly.

Back to chop saws, i have had a dewalt 712 for 5 years and had no problems yet apart from i broke the wheel off the guard a few week ago but that was due to cramming to much in my van.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Well, ???,there is problem for me.Actually I'm a picky man,and for me a precision and quality is very important.For me DeWalt seems to be not heavy duty.My brother work for a big company and they use a lot of DeWalt grinders,now they use only all Bosch grinders,he said all DeWalt just can't stand with a heavy duty metal work.So,I think weight is not a big factor for me,I need a tool for so many years,so the precision,quality and durability is important.

think is you're not buying a grinder! I have a bosch grinder and it will be replaced with a hilti as after 1 big repointing job it sounds very very poorly.

Back to chop saws, i have had a dewalt 712 for 5 years and had no problems yet apart from i broke the wheel off the guard a few week ago but that was due to cramming to much in my van.

I don't have a Bosch grinder,you right.But I was working with my brother a same company (not so long) and I used a Bosch grinders,believe me that thing is heavy duty,and yes,all Bosch grinders was MADE in Germany.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Today I was in Lowe's and they have DeWalt 12" DW718 Double-Bevel Sliding Miter Saw for $574 (on sale) and Bosch 5312 12" Dual-Bevel Slide Miter Saw for $599.For me Bosch seems more heavy duty,but,DeWalt not bad too,especially Horizontal Capacity: Baseboard Lying Flat 16" on Devalt vs 12" on Bosch.Well,I don't know.For a Kapex (only) price I can buy a Bosch saw plus stand and have an extra $300.

 

[Dan Clark]

I had a Bosch 4410.  Very heavy saw.  Now I have a Kapex.  Much better in every way, except one - the Bosch had a nice clip to hold the detent lock out out of the way.

I tested a DW718 before buying the Bosch.  The head is very floppy.  Pull the head out all the way and push is sideways.  With your index finger.  See the movement?  It turns out that Dewalt moved DW718 to China and Mexico.  The DW708 (prior version) had a few warts but was built more solidly.

The Kapex isn't perfect.  However, its warts are few and its benefits many.  Is it worth the bucks?  It depends on what you value.  I value quality construction, light weight, usability, dust collection.  On balance, it's the best saw out there for what I value.  It's worth it to me.

Regards,

Dan.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I had a Bosch 4410.  Very heavy saw.  Now I have a Kapex.  Much better in every way, except one - the Bosch had a nice clip to hold the detent lock out out of the way.

I tested a DW718 before buying the Bosch.  The head is very floppy.  Pull the head out all the way and push is sideways.  With your index finger.  See the movement?  It turns out that Dewalt moved DW718 to China and Mexico.  The DW708 (prior version) had a few warts but was built more solidly.

The Kapex isn't perfect.  However, its warts are few and its benefits many.  Is it worth the bucks?  It depends on what you value.  I value quality construction, light weight, usability, dust collection.  On balance, it's the best saw out there for what I value.  It's worth it to me.

Regards,

Dan.

Yeah,if 4410 is so heavy then I imagine how heavy is 5312.Did you buy a CT Dust Extractor with Kapex?Because I can't find a vacuum with "AUTO" position.

 

[Dan Clark]

I already had a CT22; I've had it for over three years.  My Kapex is relatively new.  The Bosch, Makita LS1016 (bought and returned), and Kapex work fine with the CT.   Bosch dust collection was fair, Makita's was poor, and Kapex is very good.  

Regards,

Dan.

 

[Holzhacker]

I have a CT22 and have used it with my 12" Bosch slider chopsaw. DC is pretty decent. After testing both my vacs, I hook the Bosch to my Fein Turbo II exclusively. DC is better. I don't think this is due to the Fein being better or the CT being worse. The Fein comes with a bigger hose and I think that is what makes the difference. I keep waiting for the Festool vac hoses to go on sale so I can buy a larger hose.
If you are invested in Festool and Systainers buy the CT. The Fein is a great vac but doesn't allow for transporting Sys on top of it. I'm not aware of any variable speed/auto setting vacs at the big box stores.

 

[Dan Clark]

For the Kapex and HL850, the Festool D36 makes a noticeable difference.  I have a D36 on my CT22 boom arm and I'm much happier with it now.  When I need a D27 connection, I slip on my "Dave Ronyak Hose Adapter".  Works great! 

Regards,

Dan.

Here's a pic of the adapter:

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Well,after so many reading about Festool Kapex problems.... I don't think I buy one.I read this thread http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/kapex-base-is-not-level/?all  and very disappointed,to pay $1300  for factory defect saw !!! Com on guys,its not worth that money. JohnDistai right : "But for a $1300 saw the end user shouldn't have to replace parts or make a bunch of trial and error adjustments.  This is disappointing." - and he is right.I think the Festool  is so overrated.I'm going to buy a Bosch Miter Sliding Saw,really heavy duty Saw,less problems than Kapex and can do everything for me that can do a Kapex plus its more than half price cheap.Good deal,great tool.Before I come here to this forum I was think that this company (Festool) for that high price tools have less problems ,such like they produce their tools only in Germany,high quality tools....BUT,I was really disappointed!I read a post of MCASE and completely agree with him: "I still don't understand the whole Festool trip.  I have never gone through anything like the trials described here.  All the manufacturers I buy from have  simple replacement policies for  defective tools.  They also don't have the failure rate apparent on these boards.    I buy a lot of Bosch tools.  They are half the price.  I have never had a failure.  I buy a lot of Makita tools. They are half the price.  I have never had a failure.  I buy Milwaukee tools. They are half the price.  I have never had a failure.  I buy a lot of Porter cable tools.  They are half the price.  I have had only one failure.  The unit  was instantly replaced with a new trouble free unit by the vendor with no arguments or debate.    Except for the Domino which is utterly unique I do not see why people patronize this company.  Don't tell me its superior quality because its clear from these boards that is a delusion.    These debates about customer service are a joke. " I understand to pay a high price for a tools,but its  should be a high quality tools and without this stupid problem like Kapex has with "no level table",for example.Its a shame,pay $1300 for what!?No thank you!And thank you all of you,guys,you open my eyes to not buy this product!Thank you! Regards.

 

[Wonderwino]

CD, for finish work & dust control, Festool is the best in the industry.  I have Milwaukee, Bosch, DeWalt, Metabo and Makita tools.  All my Makitas have died.  The Bosch 5412L SCMS is a very cabable saw but has developed arbor runout.  The Milwaukee stuff is virtually bullet-proof, but is better suited for framing and other less precise work.  The DW stuff is dying or under-performing.  Metabo is good stuff, but not near the specialty finish tools that Festool offers.  If you don't want to spend the $ to get Festool, that is fine  [scared]; your competitors will be glad that you aren't using it, too.  How much time do you want to spend cleaning up a customers premises after working?  ???

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Well.....I have no choice......................I'm going to Rockler store and buy a Kapex............Thank you guys for helping me.Good day!

 

[CumminsDiesel]

So sorry for my negative comments.

 

[mastercabman]

So sorry for my negative comments.

It's ok!!!  You are going to like it!

 

[jmbfestool]

Im a site joiner  but the company I work for also have a very large work shop and they have the Bosch chop saw I dont like it at all! All the guys in the work shop  12 joiners hate it wish they didnt get it.  I dont like Dewalt so wouldnt recommend any dewalt.

I noticed no one mentioned the  Milwueakee Chop saw  if you want a strong heavy duty but also has power and accuracy thats the saw to go for it is heavy but you said you didnt mind! 

I have the Kapex and the Makita  I like the Makita it was my first sliding Compound chop saw still use it alot its not to heavy  cuts well and is robust!

I do really like my Kapex and the laser is very usefull it helps! Very very easy to carry around love it! 

I find alot of things get in the way when doing angled cuts with the kapex like the angle finder gets in the way when doing 45degree angle  also if you use the table arm extensions you cant do any angle cuts left and right unless you remove them  for you then to remove the fences on the chop saw then you attach the the extensions and if you want the fences back on you have to remove it so pretty shit really and I havent read any were some one mentioning that other whise I mite not have bought the saw seen as its a bad design!!!! BUT BUT  now festool have brought out this new bench  it might solve the problem!

For site use  I think you shouldnt be thinking about Bosch - Festool

you should be thinking about  Milwueakee - Festool  ( Maybe Makita)

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Today I was in Rockler shop and looked this saw.WOW!This is really nice saw!!!I was looked all Festool tools,what I like more that all is MADE IN GERMANY!

 

[Dan Clark]

CD,

The Kapex is an excellent saw.    Please keep in mind that the Kapex, like virtually everything else on our planet, is not perfect. Relax and work with it for a couple weeks. Then, if you find it's not your cup of tea, you can return it within 30 days.  To me, this 30-day return policy is very important because when I spend a lot of money for a tool, I worry that I made the right choice.  It's not likely that you'll return the Kapex, but the return policy is a good safety net to help protect you. 

Two accessories to consider are a saw stand and blades.  What you use for a stand will depend on where and how you use it.  Lots of good info on saw stands here on FOG.  For the blades, here's a summary of a Kapex saw blade review that I did http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/kapex-saw-blade-review/msg84193/.  The summary includes a link to the full review that includes pics of my test results.

Good luck with your new saw.

Regards,

Dan.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

CD,

The Kapex is an excellent saw.    Please keep in mind that the Kapex, like virtually everything else on our planet, is not perfect. Relax and work with it for a couple weeks. Then, if you find it's not your cup of tea, you can return it within 30 days.  To me, this 30-day return policy is very important because when I spend a lot of money for a tool, I worry that I made the right choice.  It's not likely that you'll return the Kapex, but the return policy is a good safety net to help protect you. 

Two accessories to consider are a saw stand and blades.  What you use for a stand will depend on where and how you use it.  Lots of good info on saw stands here on FOG.  For the blades, here's a summary of a Kapex saw blade review that I did http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/kapex-saw-blade-review/msg84193/.  The summary includes a link to the full review that includes pics of my test results.

Good luck with your new saw.

Regards,

Dan.

  THANK YOU,DAN !

 

[Gaucho Woodworking]

My decision was not just about heavy duty but about support and alliance. I sold high end equipment for many years. My question was "when the chips are down ... who is going  to help you"? I went with Festool for just about everything (I buy my bits from CMT and Freud) other than that Festool is my main supplier for power tools. I own a Bosch contractor saw and had no problems with performance and durability.

 

[voodoochile]

I hope you are liking the saw. I have done both finish and framing carpentry, and am a fairly avid woodworker by hobby. If I was going to be doing mainly framing, I'd go with the Bosch. They are nice tools, typically (I have their Swiss-made jigsaw, and it is a work of art). But for finish work, or especially remodelling, the Festool range is just much more tightly integrated, and the dust control is incredible.

When you figure cleanup in a job, you will spend less time on it; and the quality of the cuts in both accuracy and finish mean less prep time as well. I've put up many dust curtains, and spent a lot of hours cleaning up dust... it's a drain on the outcome of any job. The tools themselves are expensive, but if you use them in a productive manner, they seem to be a pretty wise choice by the time you figure in all the variables, both direct and ancillary tasks like cleanup.