What's wrong with this picture? (Winner by "TKO" Tom B.)

[CharlesWilson]

So, it turns out that there is nothing wrong with the picture. You should have asked:  What is RIGHT with this picture?

That is a product improvement that should be immediately incorporated into the tool, with an appropriate hex wrench snapped onto the router somewhere. (I am sure that you will be making that enhancement to your router ASAP.)

Charles

 

[iamnothim]

The common name for the fasteners Luke used is allen, the proper name is hexagon socket head cap screw. There are also spline socket head cap screws.

A screw with a slot is properly called slotted.

Tom

I feel like I'm sitting in an ANSI meeting.

 

[iamnothim]

Based upon what Tom said I went back to the McMaster site and read about hardness.
Black oxide hardened heat treated steel is the hardest they have but they corrode the easiest.  I ordered a bunch of those in the appropriate length and head size.  They should be here tomorrow.

Interestingly, Festool calls the fasteners that connect the LR32 plate to the sole of the router and the black fence on the edge guide "cheese head screws".  I presume this is a reference to large round blocks of cheese.  

The button head cap screw heads are a tad smaller in diameter than the cheese heads.  There is a version available with a flange but they are a tad too big.  The standard button heads work fine.

 

[mastercabman]

So what's the reason for changing the original screws with SS screws?

 

[Sparktrician]

And after all that, your workbench still is a danged mess!!! 

[poke]

 

[tbellemare]

Based upon what Tom said I went back to the McMaster site and read about hardness.
Black oxide hardened heat treated steel is the hardest they have but they corrode the easiest.  I ordered a bunch of those in the appropriate length and head size.  They should be here tomorrow.

Interestingly, Festool calls the fasteners that connect the LR32 plate to the sole of the router and the black fence on the edge guide "cheese head screws".  I presume this is a reference to large round blocks of cheese.  

The button head cap screw heads are a tad smaller in diameter than the cheese heads.  There is a version available with a flange but they are a tad too big.  The standard button heads work fine.

Cheese head screws have a head that is cylindrical and about half as deep as the diameter. It kind of looks like a cheese wheel.

I was once sent on a consulting mission with the President of ANSI, who was working at Rocketdyne. It was all about fasteners...

Tom

 

[iamnothim]

So what's the reason for changing the original screws with SS screws?

Severe OCD
It's more about the head than the ss

And after all that, your workbench still is a danged mess!!!  

[poke]

It's Amazing that 5,837 folks read this thread!

I wonder how many read the whole thing..

 

[semenza]

I get called a flat head all the time.  Not sure why because it looks XXL in the mirror.

Anyway I have a bunch of extra fasteners for the items in the picture.
If anyone would like some I'll fill requests from PM's until they are gone.

I think Tom is correct.  The fastener has the slot in it, not the driver.

Well I guess it depends on the emphasis.

    Slotted screw,  driver.

    Slotted screwdriver.

    Flat head is a type of screw head,  not a drive type. But also a descriptive shape term for the driver that gets used in a slotted screw.

Seth

 

[iamnothim]

I get called a flat head all the time.  Not sure why because it looks XXL in the mirror.

Anyway I have a bunch of extra fasteners for the items in the picture.
If anyone would like some I'll fill requests from PM's until they are gone.

I think Tom is correct.  The fastener has the slot in it, not the driver.

Well I guess it depends on the emphasis.

    Slotted screw,  driver.

    Slotted screwdriver.

    But flat head is a type of screw head,  not a drive type.

Seth

The thread is now "The Great Fastener Debate"
From here out I will defer to others more qualified to respond.

EDIT> moved reply out of quote box.

 

[iamnothim]

Can I please have a chicken dinner instead?

I really like Popeyes.
Tom

Tom's prize emailed earlier...

 

[semenza]

Not that I don't use the wrong term (s) frequently in practice. Such as hex in a previous post in this thread.

Generally the context and what is being referred to (the driver or the fastener) takes care of any ambiguity.

Seth

 

[semenza]

I get called a flat head all the time.  Not sure why because it looks XXL in the mirror.

Anyway I have a bunch of extra fasteners for the items in the picture.
If anyone would like some I'll fill requests from PM's until they are gone.

I think Tom is correct.  The fastener has the slot in it, not the driver.

Well I guess it depends on the emphasis.

    Slotted screw,  driver.

    Slotted screwdriver.

    Flat head is a type of screw head,  not a drive type. But it is also a descriptive shape word for the driver that gets used in  slotted screw.

Seth

The thread is now "The Great Fastener Debate"
From here out I will defer to others more qualified to respond.

Bet that's the last time you ever change a screw type and tell anybody  [laughing]

Seth

 

[iamnothim]

I get called a flat head all the time.  Not sure why because it looks XXL in the mirror.

Anyway I have a bunch of extra fasteners for the items in the picture.
If anyone would like some I'll fill requests from PM's until they are gone.

I think Tom is correct.  The fastener has the slot in it, not the driver.

Well I guess it depends on the emphasis.

    Slotted screw,  driver.

    Slotted screwdriver.

    Flat head is a type of screw head,  not a drive type. But also a descriptive shape word for the driver that gets used in a slotted screw.

Seth

The thread is now "The Great Fastener Debate"
From here out I will defer to others more qualified to respond.

Bet that's the last time you ever change a screw type and tell anybody  [laughing]

Seth

 

[iamnothim]

Dear 7370 readers,

I have enough fasteners to make a more couple fastener sets for:
LR32 Plate  (2 fasteners)
OF 1400 sole plate (5 fasteners)
OF 1400 edge guide (4 fasteners)
OF 1400 table widener (5 fasteners)
MFK 700 sole plate (6 fasteners)
MFK 700 edge guide (4 fasteners)
Guide Rail extension bars (8 fasteners)

I've sent out five sets so far.
Contact me if you would like a set and I will ship a one to you.
First come first, filled.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Festool uses cheese head screws because the head is deep enough to form a proper slot so you have the option of using the torx driver or slotted driver. A button head screws can only accept a small diameter depression in the middle for a torx or hex driver.