36mm hose - kapex vs boom arm?

[cvn72]

Spent 150 for the 36mm hose size and noticed a nice improvement with dust collection on the kapex with a dedicated ct midi.  However, I also recently purchased a boom arm for my ct 26 that I use for my mft.  Now, I'm torn between having the 36mm hose on the kapex and 27mm hose on the boom arm or having the 27mm hose on the kapex and 36mm on the boom arm.  I do NOT want to spend another 150 to get another 36mm hose.  It was painful enough to fork over the extra dough to get a 2nd ct vacuum.  So how would you guys handle this dilemma?  [sad]

 

[ccarrolladams]

With all Festool CV dust extractors, the 36mm AS hose is best with the Kapex, TSxx plunge saws and vital for the OF1400, OF2200 and both planers.

With the boom arm it is a function of the work you will be doing. The Domino, MFK 700 and OF1010 and all the sanders only work with the 27mm hose. Sawing and using the larger routers the boom arm is not as important, so what many of us do is put a 27mm AS hose on the boom arm and drag a 36mm hose when we saw.

What really hurts dust collection is to use a 27mm hose with the Kapex. A whole lot of us use a short 36mm hose. I buy the 7m x 36mmAS hose and cut it into 3 equal lengths. Any of those is the ideal length for a Kapex with a CT 22-CT48. The best part of using a Mini or Midi with a Kapex is that the 36mm hose enters it from the top through the hose garage, so the hose can be shorter and it does not need a final bend. While the Kapex needs dust collection, it does not usually create so much dust the cost of Midi bags becomes a problem.

 

[Alan m]

i would go to your local tip or electrical shop and look for a broken vac. you should get the hose. the ends might work but th efestool ones should fit on if they dont.
iiv got several hose like this and they work great
it wont be antistatic but would work perfectly for  the kapex. you can also cut it shorter and improve the dc a bit more.

 

[skids]

Good news! You can have both! Rockler makes this which fits the Kapex perfectly.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5951&site=ROCKLER

Or you can get the non anti-stat Festool hose, which I have on mine and it works perfectly. You DO NOT need anti static hose for the Kapex. Unless you cut a ton of Vinyl products. I have use non anti static with zero issues, and quite honestly I like it better since it's not nearly as stiff.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Good news! You can have both! Rockler makes this which fits the Kapex perfectly.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5951&site=ROCKLER

Or you can get the anti-stat Festool hose, which I have on mine and it works perfectly. You DO NOT need anti static hose for the Kapex. Unless you cut a ton of Vinyl products. I have use non anti static with zero issues, and quite honestly I like it better since it's not nearly as stiff.

Someone way back and someone recently mentioned a ShopVac brand hose you can find at Lowe's also fits the Festool vac and Kapex perfectly for pretty cheap.

 

[penaddict]

I believe that Home Depot RIDGID Universal Wet/Dry Vacuum Hose also fit.  I use for the TS55.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/100375877?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=shop+vac+hose&storeId=10051&N=5yc1v&R=100375877#.UTaLL1dez6k

Mike

 

[peter halle]

Mr. Nozzle hoses also work.

Peter

 

[ccarrolladams]

Each of us has our own experiences with dust extraction hose. Clearly others have experiences different from mine.

I can only offer my experiences. My decision to only use AS hose goes back to my first Festool purchases. At that time I concluded the largest bag I wanted to remove was in the CT22, so over the years I kept buying more of them so that I only needed to inventory 22L bags.

I concluded I did not always know which tasks I would be performing the following day. I have been in the woodworking business for decades prior to the availability of AS hose, which is more necessary with high velocity systems such as the Festool CT as opposed to high volume, low velocity systems such as typical shop vacs. I am not an idiot, I realized buying only AS hose would cost me more money up-front. My expectation, proven by experience, is that because any of my AS hose I use on a given day will perform all tasks, I never need to go searching for an AS hose for a task the non-AS hose does not perform well.

Festool does not supply AS hose with the CMS router table. Those mostly produce chips, which commonly do not need AS hose. But I use other brands of router tables and all of those are connected to my plant Dust Collection system with 100mm hose.

 

[MavDog]

Would this work also? http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/100652...ct-1-_-100375877-_-100652652-_-N#.UTay04y9KK1

 

[flair woodworks]

Is it an option to cut the D36 hose into two pieces - one for the boom arm and one for the Kapex?  You'd just need the fittings.

 

[ccarrolladams]

Is it an option to cut the D36 hose into two pieces - one for the boom arm and one for the Kapex?  You'd just need the fittings.

Sure, it is often done to buy the 36mmAS x 7m hose. My experience has been that when using a CT22 to collect Kapex dust 2.3m is more than long enough. That is 1/3 of the 7m hose. Years ago I bout several extra of both the tool and vac ends of the 36mm fittings.

Cutting 2.3m off one end of the 7m hose still leaves a very useful 4.7m length. I have used that with a cleaning set, but it would also work very well on a boom arm.

 

[cvn72]

Thanks for all the suggestions but after looking at all the cheaper alternatives I think I'll buy the festool non anti static hose for $90.  The cheaper hoses are nice alternatives price wise but are such an eyesore to look at with colors ranging from orange, blue, and yellow.  I thought about buying one of them and spray painting it green but that would look kinda tacky.  So festool wins my hard earned money again.  They always win.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Thanks for all the suggestions but after looking at all the cheaper alternatives I think I'll buy the festool non anti static hose for $90.  The cheaper hoses are nice alternatives price wise but are such an eyesore to look at with colors ranging from orange, blue, and yellow.  I thought about buying one of them and spray painting it green but that would look kinda tacky.  So festool wins my hard earned money again.  They always win.

Before you order the Festool hose take a look at this Here's the correct hose Bosch VAC005 from Ace Tool for $29. It is very similar to the Festool D36 non anti-static hose.  There is one important difference, the tool end is a D27 size.  I have a couple of these hoses and I put a Festool D36 tool end on one of them for the Kapex.  The other I left their D27 tool end on.  Their tool end is the same rubber type as Festool so you can ignore the photo Amazon has.

EDIT: I linked to the wrong hose earlier, link now corrected.  

 

[skids]

Thanks for all the suggestions but after looking at all the cheaper alternatives I think I'll buy the festool non anti static hose for $90.  The cheaper hoses are nice alternatives price wise but are such an eyesore to look at with colors ranging from orange, blue, and yellow.  I thought about buying one of them and spray painting it green but that would look kinda tacky.  So festool wins my hard earned money again.  They always win.

I am with you, I took one look at the aftermarket alternatives and decided to go Festool. Although Brices suggestion is worth considering. All I can tell you is I am very happy with the Festool non AS hose on my Kapex-zero complaints. And I have a nice size piece leftover that I had planned on putting on my Bosch tablesaw. I just need to find an adapter to fit the saw/hose end. Been lazy on that, so my extra length is just laying around unterminated.

But to your point, I didn't want an orange hose on my Kapex. Call me vein, fastidous, whatever..It's the genius of the Festool business model ("the system"), and apparently they have me wrapped. I like the overall look of my Kapex as weird as it sounds, and I wanted the hose to match off to the rest of the colors of the saw. Yes I am pathetic for admitting this. I figured I was saving from the AS hose anyway, so what the heck go with the Festool Non AS. But quite honestly that Bosch hose is probably made in the same place! I bet Meile fits too! I have Meile I should try it out and report back.

 

[cvn72]

Hey Brice,

I checked out the link and saw that the vacuum inlet end of the hose has a locking design(not sure if that locking design will interfere with ct vac connection and fit).  So it seems like I have to spend 20 for the festool tool end, another 20 for the vacuum end, and 27 for the hose.  With all that there isn't much difference price wise compared to the 90 festool non AS hose.  I have to agree with skids on this one.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Hey Brice,

I checked out the link and saw that the vacuum inlet end of the hose has a locking design(not sure if that locking design will interfere with ct vac connection and fit).  So it seems like I have to spend 20 for the festool tool end, another 20 for the vacuum end, and 27 for the hose.  With all that there isn't much difference price wise compared to the 90 festool non AS hose.  I have to agree with skids on this one.

I see I have linked to wrong hose.  I have the Bosch VAC005, the hose in the link id the VAC006.  The VAC005 is sold out at the moment but that's not unusual.  The VAC005 has the correct vac end to fit directly into Festool vacs.  Here's the correct hose from Ace Tool for $29.

I will edit my above post. 

 

[MavDog]

Could you please tell me the PN for the Festool part for a D36 tool end connector?

 

[CarolinaNomad]

Thanks for all the suggestions but after looking at all the cheaper alternatives I think I'll buy the festool non anti static hose for $90.  The cheaper hoses are nice alternatives price wise but are such an eyesore to look at with colors ranging from orange, blue, and yellow.  I thought about buying one of them and spray painting it green but that would look kinda tacky.  So festool wins my hard earned money again.  They always win.

Yes, one must be color coordinated. 

 

[TOOLTOWN]

Could you please tell me the PN for the Festool part for a D36 tool end connector?

That would be part number 487721

Reducing Sleeve D36 (Tool End)

Ken